Swiss collection, more information

[rimfire]

Hello all-

A while back I posted a picture of a group of 6 Swiss parabellums my Grandfather left me. Pete pretty much nailed what the guns were in the picture, he was also correct about importation and to use Simpson, LTD.

I got some more information on the pistols and would appreciate it if anyone could help me with the translations:

1. CH Ord. Mod 1900, seltenes A-Modell, 100 Stk. Gefert. 50XX A
2. CH Ord. Mod 06 W+F Bern, Hintergelenk ersetzi 15XXX
3. CH Ord. Mod W+F Bern, U-Kimme geandert 19XXX
4. CH Ord. Mod 06 DWM 11XXX
5. CH Ord. Mod 29 Canevasitschalen 53XXX
6. CH Ord. Mod 29 67XXX

Hopefully I will get them into the US within the next decade...

Thanks-

Jim

[Pete Ebbink]

Hi Jim,

The luger in your # 1 with the "A" suffix is quite pricey here in the USA. Folks at FGS have one for sale with an asking price of $ 7850
...that is a dealer retail price.

See the bottom on this web page :

http://www.fgsinc.8m.com/catalog.html

Regards,

Pete...

[Ron Wood]

A rough translation as near as I can figure:
1. Swiss Ordnance Model 1900, rare A-model, 100 pieces produced, 50XX A
2. Swiss Ordnance Model 06 W+F Bern, rear toggle link marked 15XXX
3. Swiss Ordnance Model W+F Bern, [rear] sight altered to U, 19XXX
4. Swiss Ordnance Model 29, Canevasit grips, 53XXX
5. Swiss Ordnance Model 29 67XXX

[rimfire]

Thanks, guys. It appears that the finish on my 1900 is better than the one for sale. The swiss appraser figured the 1900 might fetch about the same price in Switzerland. But he also said the mod. 06's would only fetch $600 or so, which did not seem like much.

Jim

[Pete Ebbink]

Jim,

I think the pricing/value in the USA for the 06's will be much higher than $ 600 figure you got from CH...

Bern M1906's seem to run in the $ 1500 to $ 3000 price range...depending on condition and original finish.

DWM M1906's seem to run in the $ 2500 to $ 3900 price range...ditto...ditto...

Simpsons has started doing their "importation stampings" very lightly and small in the half-round cut-outs of the grip straps where the magazine inserts...barely noticable...

Be sure and post more photos when you finally get your family's pistols here in the USA...Good Luck !

Regards,

Pete...

[Guisan]

Jim considering 2, ersetzt means replaced.

Thanks,
Guisan.

[rimfire]

My Grandfather was a shooter, he did not just collect pistols, he shot them on a regular basis in many competitions. He was quite a shot, he had dozens of medals. So I would not be surprized if he worked on these pistols to get some sort of accuracy edge. When the guns were delivered to W. Glaser they knew of Herr Ritzi. When I post pic's I will show a couple of his scorecards.

When I went to the range with him it was quite interesting. Yes, the glass of wine before the match. The other funny thing was that the pistols and rifle guys were quite segragated, they did not mix. When I went over the rifle side, Opapa wondered what I was doing over there with the riff-raff. What a hoot.

So, hopefully the paperwork will go through OK and I can get these on their way, I'm very excited. And I found some surplus 7.65mm rounds on Sportsman Guide, 500 rounds for $129, Finnish surplus I think. I suppose I should not shoot the 1900, however...

Jim

[Guisan]

Jim, I could not find that ammo at sportsmansguide but I doubt if it is the correct caliber and if it is it might be for submachinegun use and that will ruin your Swiss luger as the load is too heavy.

The Swiss had special packings of ammo for their Bergmann submachineguns and there was a warning not to use it in pistols.

Thanks,
Guisan.

[rimfire]

Here's the link:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=97228

It says:

All the way from Finland to you! 93 grain, manufactured in the 80s by Finnish supplier Lapua, no doubt while Duran Duran blared over the factory radio. It's non-corrosive and Berdan-primed, with full metal jacket. Muzzle Velocity: approx. 1,115 F.P.S.; Muzzle Energy: approx. 275 ft.-lbs.

The bullet weight and muzzle velocity appear to be correct...

Jim

[Guisan]

Yep that looks good, even slightly less powerful as he Swiss cartridge 03 so pretty safe.
Good value for money I guess.

Thanks,
Guisan.

[rimfire]

I got the ammo, it's the real deal. Appears to be high quality stuff, it is even enamel sealed around the bullet and primer.

So when you are doing your underwater approach to the enemy front with your $5000 vintage luger you can be assured it will take out your targets when you open fire... :-)

Says "JV A 0520 7.65 PISTBB p" on the box.

It seemed to be a good price, not as cheap as 9mm that's for sure.

Jim

[Pete Ebbink]

Jim,

Thanks for the tip on this 7,65 ammo. I have been getting tired paying $ 30/box of 50 rounds...

[rimfire]

Well it took 1 1/2 years but my pistols are apparently in the country!!! Alls left is for me to get them from Simpson LTD to here and I will be a happy camper. I look forward to posting some pictures on this forum soon.

Jim

[Pete Ebbink]

Jim,

Glad your importation is almost an its end. Nice that your grandfather's pistols will stay in the family...

If you need help posting photos, send them to me at [email protected] and I will post them for you.

[Ron Wood]

Photos would be great! I particularly would like to see the 1900 in some detail. Your Grandfather provided you with some great guns. Glad you could get them.

[pipeman45]

With the number of pistols you are about to gain access to. And the number of pics people are going to want you to post. You had better set aside money for a new camera!

[rimfire]

Hi, All-

Well, I finally got these pistols! I know you want some pictures but these are a lot of guns and if there are any specific pics you all want to see of a particular model, let me know. The guns are beautiful and fascinating to look at.

Jim

[Pete Ebbink]

Hi Jim,

Glad your importation is over and the guns are at your home.

Might I suggest some nice left side, right side, and top side photos of each...and then member could ask for more detailed shots if they want to see some detail in specific.

Also, a shot of the typical "importer stamping" might help in case other folks want to use the same importer you used (which I believe is the Simpson shop, if I recall correctly).

[rimfire]

Hello all-

I finally got some pictures posted of the lugers, you can see them at:

http://www.cisatlantic.com/trimix/Luger/index.html

What I am curious about is how do you decide what condition they are in. I see "98%" and so forth, but I don't see how you can gauge how much blueing is left along with other factors, such as natural wear and tear.

Any opinions on the condition are welcomed.

One of the '06 models has a slightly loose front site. The black-grip one has a sticky slide, it's almost as if someone was trying to tighten the action.

The 1900 has a mysterious dent in the takedown plate which does not look like an accident. Not sure what function it would have except perhaps reducing the trigger set-off.

Also I have thought about this and I really don't understand what advantage you may have keeping your serial number confidential. What's the reasoning?

Well, enjoy, folks!

Jim

[Pete Ebbink]

Hi Jim,

Somewhere along the way I lost track that you had posted your photos up for folks to see.

Congratulations on inheriting some nice Swiss lugers that your grandfather took good care of