Luger Artillery Magazine Pouch

George Anderson · 09-28-2011, 06:32 PM

For those who might be interested, be aware that this pouch offered on Ebay is a very well made recent German reproduction and not original. I know this because I bought this pouch from the original German source some ten years ago. I was so taken by the quality that I sent it to my friend Ed Sayre with whom I shared a common interest in artillery Luger related items. Before Ed could return it to me he died so it went with the rest of his collection.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DBL56-GERMAN...item53e95826ba

Norme · 09-28-2011, 06:43 PM

Hi George, Do you know if this Imperial Navy pouch, from the same seller, is also a reproduction? Best regards, Norm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360397153568...8#ht_500wt_869

George Anderson · 09-28-2011, 07:10 PM

Norm, I can not say but lacking typical Navy marking, maker mark and condition one has to question it.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-28-2011, 09:44 PM

Norm, I have questions about it..What are your thoughts?

Norme · 09-28-2011, 09:56 PM

Hi Jerry, I think it's stitch for stitch perfect. It's just too good to be true, I'll pass this one. Regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 09-28-2011, 10:09 PM

Norm, Thanks..I didn't have any meaningful faults to point out here either..Just the same doubts you have. It looks good superficially from the photo's.Which don't show all I want to see and are not the best lighting.
I told a Friend who is considering it..the only real way to determine authenticity is to have it in hand to inspect it for construction details on the inside.
Also as George A. and I discussed this afternoon... to look for a Crown M on the underside. They were stamped so small they are easily overlooked unless you know where to look.

regul · 09-29-2011, 11:52 AM

While on the subject of reproductios please take a look at this TM-08 drum loader.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360397152415...84.m1438.l2649
Take a close look at the joint/slit on the underside of the handle.
I am curious as to others opinions about its originality.
Thanks

alanint · 09-29-2011, 12:14 PM

The "joint" looks like a machined cut, not the result of rolled edges meeting.

regul · 09-29-2011, 12:31 PM

That is my feeling also. It does not appear to have the ground flush welds at either end of the joint. If you shine a flash light inside a original loader handle you can see the butt joint seam.
thanks
Ed

Kitkat041836 · 09-29-2011, 01:54 PM

I would also look at the screw that holds the handle on to this
loader to see if it is threaded all the way or just the first 1/8
of a inch,if it is threded all the way it is wrong.
Thanks George Fortier

lugerholsterrepair · 09-29-2011, 03:46 PM

Take a close look at the joint/slit on the underside of the handle.

One of the little details the faker used to sucker big money out of a reproduction Artillery loading tool.

It is likely the seller is unaware of the minute details concerning original loading tools and if a buyer is so unlucky to be in the same ignorant state..he will foolishly pay big bucks and be stuck with a reproduction.

alanint · 09-29-2011, 04:00 PM

This will most likely fool any buyer who has been simply told to "look for a line" on the underside of the handle without a full explanation of what the line is or how it is formed. Like most fakes, the details are only hinted at to fool the average buyer who does not posess a complete knowledge.

09-28-2011, 06:32 PM	#1
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Luger Artillery Magazine Pouch For those who might be interested, be aware that this pouch offered on Ebay is a very well made recent German reproduction and not original. I know this because I bought this pouch from the original German source some ten years ago. I was so taken by the quality that I sent it to my friend Ed Sayre with whom I shared a common interest in artillery Luger related items. Before Ed could return it to me he died so it went with the rest of his collection. http://www.ebay.com/itm/DBL56-GERMAN...item53e95826ba

09-28-2011, 09:44 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Norm, I have questions about it..What are your thoughts? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-28-2011, 10:09 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Norm, Thanks..I didn't have any meaningful faults to point out here either..Just the same doubts you have. It looks good superficially from the photo's.Which don't show all I want to see and are not the best lighting. I told a Friend who is considering it..the only real way to determine authenticity is to have it in hand to inspect it for construction details on the inside. Also as George A. and I discussed this afternoon... to look for a Crown M on the underside. They were stamped so small they are easily overlooked unless you know where to look. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-29-2011, 03:46 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Take a close look at the joint/slit on the underside of the handle. One of the little details the faker used to sucker big money out of a reproduction Artillery loading tool. It is likely the seller is unaware of the minute details concerning original loading tools and if a buyer is so unlucky to be in the same ignorant state..he will foolishly pay big bucks and be stuck with a reproduction. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-28-2011, 06:43 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi George, Do you know if this Imperial Navy pouch, from the same seller, is also a reproduction? Best regards, Norm http://www.ebay.com/itm/360397153568...8#ht_500wt_869

09-28-2011, 07:10 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Norm, I can not say but lacking typical Navy marking, maker mark and condition one has to question it.

09-28-2011, 09:56 PM	#5
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jerry, I think it's stitch for stitch perfect. It's just too good to be true, I'll pass this one. Regards, Norm

09-29-2011, 11:52 AM	#7
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	While on the subject of reproductios please take a look at this TM-08 drum loader. http://www.ebay.com/itm/360397152415...84.m1438.l2649 Take a close look at the joint/slit on the underside of the handle. I am curious as to others opinions about its originality. Thanks

09-29-2011, 12:14 PM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The "joint" looks like a machined cut, not the result of rolled edges meeting.

09-29-2011, 12:31 PM	#9
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	That is my feeling also. It does not appear to have the ground flush welds at either end of the joint. If you shine a flash light inside a original loader handle you can see the butt joint seam. thanks Ed

09-29-2011, 01:54 PM	#10
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	I would also look at the screw that holds the handle on to this loader to see if it is threaded all the way or just the first 1/8 of a inch,if it is threded all the way it is wrong. Thanks George Fortier

09-29-2011, 04:00 PM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	This will most likely fool any buyer who has been simply told to "look for a line" on the underside of the handle without a full explanation of what the line is or how it is formed. Like most fakes, the details are only hinted at to fool the average buyer who does not posess a complete knowledge.