Why Do Different Models Seem To Have More Kick?

[cirelaw]

This year I fired 2 lugers for the first time! My first was an 08 shooter from George and also an artillery which I have come to know was reckless. One thing I noticed was the artillery seemed to have much more of a kick and seemed more powerful. Same round but much more powerful! Is there a difference? Maybe barrel length! I did screw up fireing my 1914 DWM artillery which was awesome~ Eric

[Eugen]

Eric, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...and so is felt recoil.

In other words it may be puzzlingly subjective. Sure we can debate the dynamics of weight and a longer barrel, but there remains the element of subjectivity.

[cirelaw]

Thanks all! I used my rarest instead of my other two~

[cirelaw]

I lost my luger virginity on that day!!! PS All were purchased from Uncle George Anderson~

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

This year I fired 2 lugers for the first time! My first was an 08 shooter from George and also an artillery which I have come to know was reckless. One thing I noticed was the artillery seemed to have much more of a kick and seemed more powerful. Same round but much more powerful! Is there a difference? Maybe barrel length! I did screw up fireing my 1914 DWM artillery which was awesome~ Eric

The one with the stronger recoil spring will generally have less apparent recoil.

[Eugen]

Originally Posted by kurusu

The one with the stronger recoil spring will generally have less apparent recoil.

Yes, excellent point. I forgot varying spring rates as a factor for felt recoil. But, I keep forgetting if a higher spring rating means less felt recoil or more felt recoil.

[cirelaw]

Which model shoots further with the same ammo?

[Eugen]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Which model shoots further?

Uh, Eric, just send them to me and I will let you know.

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Which model shoots further with the same ammo?

The long one; elementary, my dear Eric.

[cirelaw]

I have 21 and all but one are still a Eric virgin, myself excluded!

[ithacaartist]

Don, since you use the same frame for a P.08 and LP.08, I think the two springs would be pretty much the same. But with the 8" barrel, the round stays in the tube longer, thus imparting more oomph to the recoil. I also think someone has mentioned that the recoil is more noticeable when the stock is attached.

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Don, since you use the same frame for a P.08 and LP.08, I think the two springs would be pretty much the same. But with the 8" barrel, the round stays in the tube longer, thus imparting more oomph to the recoil. I also think someone has mentioned that the recoil is more noticeable when the stock is attached.

Springs vary, but I agree within a small variance they are the same.

You are for sure correct about the longer bbl, but the key is the higher velocity- which gets "squared", thus increasing the recoil impulse- which is somewhat off set by the slightly heavier bbl.

I do not agree about the stock- more weight = less felt recoil,
it is just physics; of course if you put it on your shoulder, you would feel the recoil in a different way and place- maybe that is what they meant?

Note that Eric said with "the same luger ammo"; implying all were in the same caliber(to me at least), but it matters not if all are 9mm or all are .30- the long barrel will shoot "farther" than the short bbl; all else being equal(like the angle at which fired).

Before someone says some of those are 9mm and some .30- each form shown Could be in either caliber- but just likely did not come that way when made.

The question is meaningless if different calibers are compared, as the premise of "the same ammo" is out the window!

[ithacaartist]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I do not agree about the stock- more weight = less felt recoil,
it is just physics; of course if you put it on your shoulder, you would feel the recoil in a different way and place- maybe that is what they meant?

I agree, Don. There's no way the actual recoil could be changed significantly. My experience in using a stock didn't show up an increase in "kick", but was indeed a different set of sensations than shooting the pistol in-hand.

[cirelaw]

Obviously for different uses!