Ralph Shattuck's Luger ScreenSaver??

[LugermanNH]

Did anyone else on here recieve a mailing from Ralph Shattuck about his new screensaver??

It looked like it was a hell of a nice collection of Lugers.

I ordered it, and am expecting it soon, if you already have one, drop me a line..
Thanks

L

[Edward Tinker]

No, didn't order it, but thought about it. If it has nice pictures, then tell us after you get it. Ralph said that he had some "perfessionail" photo guy take the pictures of bunches of his guns, so I imagine that it makes for a nice screensaver.

I wish it was half the price, then more people would be inclined to buy it? But not a bad price at all.

Ed

[LugermanNH]

Well here is your reply!!!

The pictures are IMPRESSIVE!!!

super clear...they actually look like they are floating...

tons of guns on there... overall a really well done product...

I didn't even know some of these guns existed!!

I highly Recommend..

L

[Edward Tinker]

Thanks!

Always great to hear of a nice professional product about Lugers!

Ed

[John Sabato]

Approximately how many different photos are used in Ralph's screensaver? "Tons" implies quite a few...

[LugermanNH]

Ummm... over 100??

of over 30 guns...

L

[Pete Ebbink]

A few interesting guns on the screensaver are :

1. A .45 luger pistol that does not appear to be the old Sid Aberman gun # 2...

2. A 1913 DWM artillery...

3. A 1903 GL-stamped transitional with a reversed toggle hinge (rounded type) set up. The rounded part of the toggle hinge is pointing to the muzzle-end of the gun. It also has a slot in the front sight base that might have been used for some sort of attachment...

4. August Weiss' wonderful pair of enlaid grips (mentioned/photo'd loose in Datig's books...) that are now paired to a gun # 69...

The frustrating thing about the screensaver is that you cannot "halt" it to look at any gun for a longer period of time...IMHO...nevertheless, worth the $ 20 price to see such interesting pieces all in one place...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

[Edward Tinker]

So Pete, does the screen saver have titles of each gun, numbers and then a cheat sheet?

I would imagine you can look on the CD itself for the individual pictures?

Ed

[Pete Ebbink]

Hello Ed,

The CD does not allow you to view the individual jpegs at all...incripted to only allow the screensaver program to install/run...not a techno-geek enough to figure out how to get around that...

Each gun pops up for a few long seconds to allow one to guess what the gun might be. Then subsequent photos, views, and detailed close up with captions describe the gun and some of its special attributes. Sort of like a gun ID test...

Serial numbers, typically, are not called out (except on a few) but you can catch glimpses of numbers from time to time if the photo angle is correct...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

[Edward Tinker]

Many programs will allow you to set the time of the picture on the screen? Shame you aren't closer, I'd enjoy spending time figuring out "Luggers" and 'puters,

Ed

[Pete Ebbink]

Ed,

The folks that put this screensaver together were/are pretty clever...

I have defaulted this program as my "screensaver" in my control panel/display utility and it does not allow any access to adjusting the "settings" or "speed" of the screensaver...

And good luck trying to copy any of the jpeg files to disk...

Back to the photos...who the heck has heard of a 1913 DWM artillery...??? Have any LF members seen this one in person...???

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

[Pete Ebbink]

Had one of our LF members play with my CD-ROM copy of this luger screen saver for the past few weeks.

The encryption is apparently very sophisticated and this very talented fellow could not break-out the jpegs...

Regards,

Pete...

[ViggoG]

Pete,
Some one will soon find means to develop some means to control this Disk.
For the last 58 yrs I have worked, in, on, with, and around these "Beasties" that are now known to be the "Bane" of the "Private,??, Citizen".
&gt;&gt;&gt;
The one unchanging fact I have gathered by this Questionable Occupation is that What One Man Will Do , Another Will Certainly Undo!
&gt;&gt;&gt;
Yes as with so many other things I was present to see the transition from IBM's Card Punch Sorters and Counters to the first true digital calculating devices "The Bell Labratories" switching Relay Computer that was first installed at the NACA Langley Research Labratory at Langley Field Va. back in 1947, I was trained to maintain the Mechanical devices asociated there with.
From there I went on to work with the first Numerical Control Milling Machines on which we Programmed and cut the Three Dimensional Moon Maps for the Landing Simulators to train the Astronaughts.
I gave up trying to keep up my skills in this area upon retirement in 1977.
Some times I wish I had never been Involved in what has now become the Monster that destroys the work ethic in the youth of our Planet.
ViggoG

[wterrell]

Sometimes the CD can be accessed in quite an odd method. The most usual technique is to take a "Magic Marker" around the outer edge of the CD. I understand that that is where the coding is located.

[LugermanNH]

Pete, maybe the Luger Forum should be known for their professionalism and helpful information about collecting and enjoying Lugers and not for their ability to beat someone's encryption and rip-off the pictures. Perhaps you and your friend are only proving why Ralph had to employ a very talented fellow to encrypt the disc so that the guns weren't splashed across the world wide web.

I can't help observe that since joining this group I've seen several pictures obviously commercially produced by non-members, ripped and displayed on the forum without any credit as to who took them. Someday someone may be offended by our not having permission to display their pictures.

[John Sabato]

The Lugerforum does not endorse or support the use of copyrighted material with acknowledgement of the source of the photographs. All photos posted by members are presumed to be their own property, or at the very least, acknowledged to the author/source when known.

Regarding the Screensaver in question. It is my understanding that there is no technical limitation (other than one's own scruples) on the number of installations of the application to any number of computers... and you don't have to have the original CD, only the files that are on it... so if you own such a CD, you must be guided by your ethics on the handling of such information...

Having witnessed the presentation of the screensaver I can report that the photos are excellent... but since there is no way to pause the slideshow, you are limited to viewing these photos for approximately 5 seconds before the next photo appears and that the full presentation takes 20 minutes or more. IMHO I personally find the inability to pause and examine the individual photos more closely unacceptable to me at any price, unless they are free (not likely).

If all I want to examine are the photos of one rare model of the Luger, I don't want to have to wait around for 20 minutes just to get a 5 second glimpse... not for $15.00 anyway...

just my $0.02

[John D.]

Hmmm....

Interesting thread/post... First - let me tell you what the policy is - and it's not just this site - but most Internet sites have similiar policies in place regarding the use of photos (which are typically considered as "content" which is protected by copyright)...

If it's on a site - you usually don't have permission to repost a photo without consent of both the photographer and website, unless the photographer has "released" the photo to the website. Then, it's just the website owner who has the consent to release. Sort of like scanning a magazine photo or a book - you really shouldn't do it.

However - most "fair use" laws allow you to make a personal copy for your own private use - BUT - you can't "re-publish it" such as in your book, on your website - or for that matter - on a public website.

Frankly - "acknowledgement" or rather more correctly, - "attribution" - has nothing at all to do with it, and still, in a strict sense, still violotes most term of copyright.

The proper way to refer to a photo is to embed a LINK to the photo in your message, which refers you to the source site/photo.... Same with"text" or an entire webpage or - well - whatever....

But, I also have to say - I'm not sure why we are trying to re-write policy here, as I put the TOS on the site since day 1, and DOK added the Forum Decorum on about day 2? You can view the relevant sections here:

http://www.rennlist.com/TOS.htm
and here:
http://www.lugerforum.com/ForumDecorum.html

Both of these are linked to the main Lugerforum site in the "General Information" link.

Now, about the screensaver. Yep - I bought it - and the pictures are outstanding. However - I agree with LugermanNH's post - about 100%... I guess a $15 value is in the eye of the CD owner... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[Big Norm]

Aw Gee John D. I agree with what you said, but I sure would like to take a long look at Ralphs treasures. I don't know all the Lugers on this CD but I do know that Ralph has some real treasures that I would like to see. (Like an artillery engraved from Georg Luger to Harlim Maxum) The same thought goes for Doug Smith of FGS who, along with Ken, has told me about some of his hidden goodies. I can't even go to one of his bowling allies to see them. (Are you reading this Joe?)

Hey Pete! why not repost your question about a 1913 DWM artillery on the artillery section too. Maybe we could get some interesting reponses there too. Maybe Mauro has something to tell us. Personally, with nothing more than a gut feeling, I can't believe that a 1913 DWM or even an Erfurt, would be authentic. But I am just talking from my heart on that one and not from fact.
Big Norm

[Pete Ebbink]

Hello LugermanNH,

Had I known that one cannot "pause" on the screensaver disk to study each jpeg in more detail, I would not have spent the $ 20.00 for the CD-ROM.

Since some controversial luger photos are displayed (see my earlier posting about some specific photos...), I think it would only be fair that I, as owner of the disk, would have the ability to study the guns in more detail...

One 1906 Navy appears to have the characteristic "dimple" at the apex of its stock lug slot which seems to be a WWII Mauser trait. But the &lt; 5 seconds this photo is displayed, certainly does not allow this luger student to confirm what "I think I see" and to look at this jpeg in more detail...

I had no intentions of making boot-legged copies. I was just asking a friend if he could help me "freeze" the photos...on the disk I own...

It is sort of like buying a book and then having the pages turned, automatically, for you every 5 seconds and you cannot stop the process...

Finally...I cannot speak for other LF members, but I usually try to reference a book, author name, and even page number when I post a photo here on our Forum from another source...

p.s.

Big Norm,...that is a carbine that is engraved for HSM...not an artillery...Ralph let me hold it on one of my visits. Can you imagine he paid $ 1,250.00 for it in the 1950's...and he was in trouble with the missus when he did so...

Regards,

Pete...

[Pete Ebbink]

Viggo G,

I know well what you say about the world of computers and making the young folks in our workplace "soft".

You cannot imagine how painful it is for me to tap one of our young engineers from out of their AutoCAD world and have him/her join me in the field to show them what in their design is not working...their reply usually goes something like..."you mean you actually want me to walk the job-site with all of those contractors and things...?".

I am not that old, yet, but did have to use punch cards when I first started to work and my first destop PC had an 8" floopy drive and my first portable PC was some 28 lbs. Compaq that looked more like a sewing machine box than a PC...and now I complain about schlepping a 3.5 lbs. laptop around...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />