.45 luger #20 received from "Lugerman"

DonVoigt · 03-16-2018, 11:48 PM

Received my .45 acp luger today !

Pistol comes with two magazines and a typical luger style loading tool.

Too late to take it to the range today and rain tomorrow; but maybe next Tuesday I'll be able to post a range report. The pistol should be about half "broke in", as Eugene fired about 200 rounds in his final testing and magazine fitting.

I'm start the thread today with some pictures of the luger inside and out. It is a really nice piece of work, well done in fit and finish.

I wanted something a little "different" than the standard 5" model, so requested a 5.5" barrel be installed. It actually measures about 5.75" so the barrel length should give ballistic performance equal to the standard issue 1911 Govt. .45 acp pistol.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-17-2018, 01:05 AM

Love it! Anxious to see your range report. One thing I noticed from your excellent photo's is the serial numbers..they look a little weird..like they are engraved rather than stamped?

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 08:33 AM

Yes the numbers were made in special font created for this project.
And Yes they are engraved, and not stamped. Material that is used on the guns is 4140 pre-hard. It was cut with carbide tools and will be pretty hard to stamp and keep the stamp alive for long.
We did not feel like adding cost for annealing it, stamping and then reheat treating the parts.
Thanks for noticing.

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 09:09 AM

We used Commercial style positioning of the numbers, and commercial guns never had barrel sizes put on.
As soon as army contract rolls around we will change the markings to army style

Caliber mark is on as per ATF regulations

DonVoigt · 03-17-2018, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

We used Commercial style positioning of the numbers, and commercial guns never had barrel sizes put on.
As soon as army contract rolls around we will change the markings to army style

Caliber mark is on as per ATF regulations

Well, actually DWM did kind of put the barrel "size" on early commercial pistols; they used the arcane # of lead balls to the pound to designate.

Like that below on a 1906 BUG proofed 7,65mm, the numbers are 178,31 (balls to the pound):

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 09:53 AM

we do not want to confuse any one now, do we.

45 Auto on the bottom of the barrel is loud and clear

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 10:09 AM

Anyone who thinks that making artillery barrels is simple, I welcome to try it and I will buy them at good price in bulk if anyone can produce them at same price I am.

Same goes for 45 Lugers

If by simple you mean, will look good and balance right on the 45 Luger then I agree.

cirelaw · 03-17-2018, 08:39 AM

Lucky Boy!!

cirelaw · 03-17-2018, 10:44 AM

A 45 Cal Carbine would be sweet for hunting

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 10:55 AM

We are working on 2 of them,

One for an order and one for show.

They will be chambered for 10mm , I think it's a flatter flying bullet.

and has a bit more kick to cycle carbine's long 16 inch barrel.

But one can be done in 45 ACP if anyone cares to order one.

10mm cartridge size is very similar and will load in to same frame and mag. breach block is the only difference.

We do have breach blocks already made for 10mm guns.

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 12:37 PM

Engine lathe is 1/2 the battle....
I will have Don answer that one ;0)

DonVoigt · 03-17-2018, 12:53 PM

An artillery barrel the way the Germans and Eugene do/did theirs is tough.
The lathe part is easy; it is the front and rear sight bases that are tough- and done on a mill; as Rich well knows.

But no, I don't think I "need" a .45 artillery or carbine; I'm happy to have one of Eugene's .45 lugers, and would "up-grade" it to Navy status if he ever builds a .45 size rear toggle with Navy style sight.

I do enjoy/prefer the original lugers with historic connection and especially unit markings; but these 21st Century .45 luger style pistols from Eugene are already historic in a way- as the first even "semi" mass produced .45 cal lugers made. JMHO.

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 01:01 PM

Here is rear sight experiment we have designed for target style guns.

cirelaw · 03-17-2018, 01:39 PM

You must have great machinery! Good For You!

Could You mount a scope on a luger for compitation shooting?

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 02:08 PM

Yes,

there are 2 ways to add a scope to a luger.

In both cases it has to clear the toggle action so it will have to be just above chamber and forward.

One way is have a frame attachment under the barrel , just like carbines and have a scope mounted around the barrel on that.

Or have a slide rails added on to the left side of the frame's flat aria behind the side plate and have rail mount that will slide on and off.
That aria of the frame will have to be build up a bit to hold the rails.
In that case the scope mount will have to be cut so it will move the scope over the action to the front of the chamber.

I like first option better,as it will also allow adding weights to the frame attachment,
with a good compensator on the barrel, it will be a speed machine.

Ron Wood · 03-17-2018, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

Yes,

there are 2 ways to add a scope to a luger.

In both cases it has to clear the toggle action so it will have to be just above chamber and forward.

One way is have a frame attachment under the barrel , just like carbines and have a scope mounted around the barrel on that.

Or have a slide rails added on to the left side of the frame's flat aria behind the side plate and have rail mount that will slide on and off.
That aria of the frame will have to be build up a bit to hold the rails.
In that case the scope mount will have to be cut so it will move the scope over the action to the front of the chamber.

I like first option better,as it will also allow adding weights to the frame attachment,
with a good compensator on the barrel, it will be a speed machine.

To me, this is the most elegant way to mount a scope on a Luger. It requires a LP08 rear sight base and a custom front sight mount fitted to the barrel taper. Anything from a long eye-relief scope to an Aimpoint could be accommodated (I think

).
If I had the disposable income I used to enjoy, I would like to have a .45 LugerMan gun with a 16" barrel, the LP08 rear sight base, custom scope mounts as shown that would accommodate a modern long eye-relief scope, a stock lug so that a stock much like a carbine stock could be legally used, and ton of .45 ammo to enjoy during my "golden years"

Ron

Edward Tinker · 03-17-2018, 02:09 PM

Eugene, interesting stuff, thanks!

---

Don, a bit jealous, but glad for you

LugerMan.com · 03-17-2018, 02:27 PM

If anyone wants to order one, I will be game for building it,
as I wanted to do it for a while.

Need something new on my mind all the time, or I loose interest ;0)

rhuff · 03-17-2018, 04:41 PM

I really like that barrel length on your new 45 Luger. It looks balanced to my eyes. I look forward to your range results.

cirelaw · 03-17-2018, 02:59 PM

What model would be more receptive?

03-16-2018, 11:48 PM	#1
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	.45 luger #20 received from "Lugerman" Received my .45 acp luger today ! Pistol comes with two magazines and a typical luger style loading tool. Too late to take it to the range today and rain tomorrow; but maybe next Tuesday I'll be able to post a range report. The pistol should be about half "broke in", as Eugene fired about 200 rounds in his final testing and magazine fitting. I'm start the thread today with some pictures of the luger inside and out. It is a really nice piece of work, well done in fit and finish. I wanted something a little "different" than the standard 5" model, so requested a 5.5" barrel be installed. It actually measures about 5.75" so the barrel length should give ballistic performance equal to the standard issue 1911 Govt. .45 acp pistol. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-17-2018, 08:33 AM	#3
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Numbers Yes the numbers were made in special font created for this project. And Yes they are engraved, and not stamped. Material that is used on the guns is 4140 pre-hard. It was cut with carbide tools and will be pretty hard to stamp and keep the stamp alive for long. We did not feel like adding cost for annealing it, stamping and then reheat treating the parts. Thanks for noticing. __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 09:09 AM	#4
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Markings style We used Commercial style positioning of the numbers, and commercial guns never had barrel sizes put on. As soon as army contract rolls around we will change the markings to army style Caliber mark is on as per ATF regulations __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 09:53 AM	#6
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	we do not want to confuse any one now, do we. 45 Auto on the bottom of the barrel is loud and clear __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 10:09 AM	#7
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Simple artillery barrels Anyone who thinks that making artillery barrels is simple, I welcome to try it and I will buy them at good price in bulk if anyone can produce them at same price I am. Same goes for 45 Lugers If by simple you mean, will look good and balance right on the 45 Luger then I agree. __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 01:05 AM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Love it! Anxious to see your range report. One thing I noticed from your excellent photo's is the serial numbers..they look a little weird..like they are engraved rather than stamped? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-17-2018, 08:39 AM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Lucky Boy!!

03-17-2018, 10:44 AM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A 45 Cal Carbine would be sweet for hunting

03-17-2018, 10:55 AM	#10
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Carbine in 10mm We are working on 2 of them, One for an order and one for show. They will be chambered for 10mm , I think it's a flatter flying bullet. and has a bit more kick to cycle carbine's long 16 inch barrel. But one can be done in 45 ACP if anyone cares to order one. 10mm cartridge size is very similar and will load in to same frame and mag. breach block is the only difference. We do have breach blocks already made for 10mm guns. __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 12:37 PM	#11
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Engine lathe is 1/2 the battle.... I will have Don answer that one ;0) __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 12:53 PM	#12
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	An artillery barrel the way the Germans and Eugene do/did theirs is tough. The lathe part is easy; it is the front and rear sight bases that are tough- and done on a mill; as Rich well knows. But no, I don't think I "need" a .45 artillery or carbine; I'm happy to have one of Eugene's .45 lugers, and would "up-grade" it to Navy status if he ever builds a .45 size rear toggle with Navy style sight. I do enjoy/prefer the original lugers with historic connection and especially unit markings; but these 21st Century .45 luger style pistols from Eugene are already historic in a way- as the first even "semi" mass produced .45 cal lugers made. JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-17-2018, 01:01 PM	#13
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Rear sight expirement Here is rear sight experiment we have designed for target style guns. Attached Thumbnails __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 01:39 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	You must have great machinery! Good For You! Could You mount a scope on a luger for compitation shooting?

03-17-2018, 02:08 PM	#15
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Scope mount Yes, there are 2 ways to add a scope to a luger. In both cases it has to clear the toggle action so it will have to be just above chamber and forward. One way is have a frame attachment under the barrel , just like carbines and have a scope mounted around the barrel on that. Or have a slide rails added on to the left side of the frame's flat aria behind the side plate and have rail mount that will slide on and off. That aria of the frame will have to be build up a bit to hold the rails. In that case the scope mount will have to be cut so it will move the scope over the action to the front of the chamber. I like first option better,as it will also allow adding weights to the frame attachment, with a good compensator on the barrel, it will be a speed machine. __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 02:09 PM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Eugene, interesting stuff, thanks! --- Don, a bit jealous, but glad for you

03-17-2018, 02:27 PM	#18
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Competition model If anyone wants to order one, I will be game for building it, as I wanted to do it for a while. Need something new on my mind all the time, or I loose interest ;0) __________________ [email protected]

03-17-2018, 04:41 PM	#19
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	I really like that barrel length on your new 45 Luger. It looks balanced to my eyes. I look forward to your range results. __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

03-17-2018, 02:59 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	What model would be more receptive?