Luger and his brother from another mother.....

[F15E_WSO]

Reunited this Luger with his long lost friend from France, a Walther PP.

See more images here https://imgur.com/a/FYpbzEN with greater zoom and detail

Or a video here https://vimeo.com/283227878 short clip of them on a turntable

video is locked and password is waltherluger

All lowercase and no space

[sheepherder]

I've always liked the PP. I could never understand why anyone would want a PPK when they could have the real thing.

Is that a Manurhin PP or just the grips???

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I've always liked the PP. I could never understand why anyone would want a PPK when they could have the real thing.

Is that a Manurhin PP or just the grips???

I don't get where you getting at.

The PPK is as much the "real deal" as the PP. The PP came out in 1929 with uniformed police use in mind PP=Pistol Police. The PPK came out in 1931 with plainclothes detectives from Kripo in mind for better concealed carry. PPK = Pistol Police Kriminal. Kriminal Police better known as Kripo was the investigating branch of police, same thing as a Police Detective.

[F15E_WSO]

Originally Posted by kurusu

I don't get where you getting at.

The PPK is as much the "real deal" as the PP. The PP came out in 1929 with uniformed police use in mind PP=Pistol Police. The PPK came out in 1931 with plainclothes detectives from Kripo in mind for better concealed carry. PPK = Pistol Police Kriminal. Kriminal Police better known as Kripo was the investigating branch of police, same thing as a Police Detective.

Sir,
folks on the Walther site indicated the "K" was for Kurz (German for Short)? Possible, your explanation sounds more official and keeping with German sensibilities. The Kurz was probably unofficial nomenclature.

[F15E_WSO]

Yes, it is a Manurhin. Wish the both fired the same caliber!

[HerrKaiser]

What’s on the toggle of the Luger?

[F15E_WSO]

Originally Posted by sheepherder

I've always liked the PP. I could never understand why anyone would want a PPK when they could have the real thing.

Is that a Manurhin PP or just the grips???

Originally Posted by HerrKaiser

What’s on the toggle of the Luger?

Are you seeing the proofs maybe? I posted a lot of close ups of parts, S/Ns, proofs last week to ID the gun

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=38788

Maybe that link will help? If that doesn't answer question happy to try again.

[DavidJayUden]

" I could never understand why anyone would want a PPK when they could have the real thing."
I suspect that Ian Fleming had something to do with it...
dju

[mrerick]

I believe your Manurhin PP may be one of the early post war ones. The Manurhin logo changed within the first year of manufacture, and I'm pretty sure your's is the early one. Here's a picture of the billboard on mine for comparison, made within the first 20,000 in 1954.

Has the Luger been proofed post-war? I can't make out enough detail in the markings on the right of the receiver.

[F15E_WSO]

Originally Posted by mrerick

I believe your Manurhin PP may be one of the early post war ones. The Manurhin logo changed within the first year of manufacture, and I'm pretty sure your's is the early one. Here's a picture of the billboard on mine for comparison, made within the first 20,000 in 1954.

Has the Luger been proofed post-war? I can't make out enough detail in the markings on the right of the receiver.

Sir, details on the Walther here, nice photos etc. Mine is same as yours.
https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/...preciated.html

Also discussion on the Proofs. Data provided there miles ahead of what I could offer.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=38788

[HerrKaiser]

Sorry, didn’t realize it was that Luger! I just wanted to know if it was a DWM, Erfurt, Mauser, etc.

[mrerick]

At sn 253xx your pistol is also very early Manurhin production, probably from 1954. I've been interested in understanding the point at which the logo banner on these pistols changed to the later one. Your pistol is from the first marking variation.

The PPK was a compact version of the PP.

The "K" follows the German word for "Detective": Kriminalpolizei by branding it the "PolizeiPistole Kriminalmodell".

It was the smaller pistol they preferred carrying in plain clothes.

Your Manurhin PP is in .32acp, of course
The "K" in "Kurz" is for "Short" in German, and is how they describe a .380acp cartridge there. "9mm Kurz". In a similar vein, the Spanish call it the "9mm Corto". It is, of course, possible that the more compact pistol also had the unofficial nickname "short" in German.

PPK advertising clearly referred to it as the"Kriminalmodell".

[F15E_WSO]

Originally Posted by mrerick

At sn 253xx your pistol is also very early Manurhin production, probably from 1954. I've been interested in understanding the point at which the logo banner on these pistols changed to the later one. Your pistol is from the first marking variation.

The PPK was a compact version of the PP.

The "K" follows the German word for "Detective": Kriminalpolizei by branding it the "PolizeiPistole Kriminalmodell".

It was the smaller pistol they preferred carrying in plain clothes.

Your Manurhin PP is in .32acp, of course
The "K" in "Kurz" is for "Short" in German, and is how they describe a .380acp cartridge there. "9mm Kurz". In a similar vein, the Spanish call it the "9mm Corto". It is, of course, possible that the more compact pistol also had the unofficial nickname "short" in German.

PPK advertising clearly referred to it as the"Kriminalmodell".

mrerick, that is a SOLID post. Very informative, thank you for the insight to include the S/N date on my particular gun. Obvious question but suppose you are also member of Walther forum? If on the small chance you are not, can I grab your comment and post it on the Walther site as "good to know"?

Where are you in Eastern NC? I was stationed in Goldsboro for a while, ran around Kinston, MCAS Cherry Point, Morehead City, WIlmington. Eastern NC is good country.

[klaus 3338]

The Luger was reworked by Franken und Lünenschloß