Drum contents! Centuries old jam!

G.T. · 02-04-2023, 05:53 PM

Hi to all, I had a BING drum on my bench in for repair. I thought the follower was missing as that is a common issue with original drums, but no! Turns out it had the classic jam to where the rounds didn't negotiate the upturn into the tube. Now the reason this wasn't cleared was because, instead of the little cross bolt in this area, it was a solid rivited cross pin! There was no taking it apart! That was right up to when I got my grubby little paws on it! The rivet was removed and the drum disassembled wthout any further delay.
What I found inside was the two rounds remaining that caused the jam? There would have been aprox. 10 rounds on top of those that obviously just poured out long, long ago.
The two stuck rounds have what looks to be farsi (sp.) or middle eastern head stamps, with the weird VL plus other stamps I cannot interperate? Otherwise, they apprear as standard 9mm ball ammo?
Anyway, that's what they are, and it goes to show the drums had issues even when new or nearly so! Best to all, til....lat'r...GT

G.T. · 02-04-2023, 06:19 PM

What little I cound find online shows the rounds as being 1928? Not quite a century, but a long time ago none the less.... best, til...lat'r...GT...

HerrKaiser · 02-04-2023, 07:00 PM

Wow! With Farsi ammo, I wonder if that drum accompanied a Mauser Persian contract LP.08 in its lifetime?

Ron Wood · 02-04-2023, 07:35 PM

G.T.
What an interesting life you lead

Ron

Vlim · 02-05-2023, 08:31 AM

Did they look like this?

If so, it is 1970s surplus ammo from Egypt. It was sold as cheap shooting and collectors ammo years ago. Quality was bad, split cases, bad primers, etc...

So unfortunately there is no Arabic history, other than imported surplus ammo, behind the drum.

G.T. · 02-05-2023, 11:17 AM

Hi Gerben, you nailed it! That is it exactly! Too bad it's not earlier? It would have been more interesting. I was hoping we could blame it on Lawrance of Arabia ?? ..

.....But instead we have Forrest Gump, box a chocolates, kind of deal... Thanks Gerben, til.....lat'r......GT

Kiwi · 02-05-2023, 02:06 PM

I think T.E Lawrence was based out of HM Egypt office, but I believe Lawrence used a Broomhandle.

G.T. · 02-05-2023, 04:24 PM

Hi Gerben, according to other web sites, "rv" stands for number 28 which I assume was the manufacture date? The rest is egg salad to me????

Best to all, til....lat'r...GT

DTR04 · 02-06-2023, 02:05 AM

IIRC, those numbers are read right to left so, 82.

G.T. · 02-06-2023, 07:51 AM

Wow, I wouldn't even pass kindergarten in Iran! ...

... best to all, til....lat'r...GT...

Kiwi · 02-06-2023, 09:49 AM

No, no, G.T. Iran is Persian and speaks Farsi writes Sanskrit

Egypt is Arab, speaks and writes Arabic.

see how different they look

G.T. · 02-06-2023, 12:55 PM

Despite being totally un-recognizable? AND going backwords or from right to left, you might as well add upside down!!!!

... I'll never get past number 82, and that's fine with me... Thanks to all for the input, it was fun and also interesting to find out, Best, til....lat'r....GT

DTR04 · 02-06-2023, 03:21 PM

I would not fire that ammo. It is likely super hot for SMG use and probably corrosive to boot.

sdmark777 · 02-06-2023, 05:52 PM

Yup, that was some cheap shooting fun ammo.

I remember getting a couple thousand rounds and had a lot of fun shooting it in carbines. Would have a few failures to fire but great for plinking. Yes it was hot and meant for submachine guns. I know a guy who shot several mags of it through a Sig Sauer P226 handgun. Stupid is as stupid does I guess. It was still shooting fine, but when he cleaned it, there was a crack down the side of the aluminum frame!

Back then, Sig replaced the P226 with a new one.

That was back then and later they pretty much stopped replacing guns even for LEO's.

02-04-2023, 05:53 PM	#1
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	Drum contents! Centuries old jam! Hi to all, I had a BING drum on my bench in for repair. I thought the follower was missing as that is a common issue with original drums, but no! Turns out it had the classic jam to where the rounds didn't negotiate the upturn into the tube. Now the reason this wasn't cleared was because, instead of the little cross bolt in this area, it was a solid rivited cross pin! There was no taking it apart! That was right up to when I got my grubby little paws on it! The rivet was removed and the drum disassembled wthout any further delay. What I found inside was the two rounds remaining that caused the jam? There would have been aprox. 10 rounds on top of those that obviously just poured out long, long ago. The two stuck rounds have what looks to be farsi (sp.) or middle eastern head stamps, with the weird VL plus other stamps I cannot interperate? Otherwise, they apprear as standard 9mm ball ammo? Anyway, that's what they are, and it goes to show the drums had issues even when new or nearly so! Best to all, til....lat'r...GT

02-04-2023, 06:19 PM	#2
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	Farsi 1928 What little I cound find online shows the rounds as being 1928? Not quite a century, but a long time ago none the less.... best, til...lat'r...GT...

02-04-2023, 07:00 PM	#3
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Wow! With Farsi ammo, I wonder if that drum accompanied a Mauser Persian contract LP.08 in its lifetime? __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

02-04-2023, 07:35 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	G.T. What an interesting life you lead Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-05-2023, 08:31 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Did they look like this? If so, it is 1970s surplus ammo from Egypt. It was sold as cheap shooting and collectors ammo years ago. Quality was bad, split cases, bad primers, etc... So unfortunately there is no Arabic history, other than imported surplus ammo, behind the drum. Attached Images

02-05-2023, 11:17 AM	#6
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	That's it! Hi Gerben, you nailed it! That is it exactly! Too bad it's not earlier? It would have been more interesting. I was hoping we could blame it on Lawrance of Arabia ?? .......But instead we have Forrest Gump, box a chocolates, kind of deal... Thanks Gerben, til.....lat'r......GT

02-05-2023, 02:06 PM	#7
Kiwi User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Wrong side of the Delaware river Posts: 309 Thanks: 216 Thanked 436 Times in 173 Posts	I think T.E Lawrence was based out of HM Egypt office, but I believe Lawrence used a Broomhandle.

02-05-2023, 04:24 PM	#8
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	rv Hi Gerben, according to other web sites, "rv" stands for number 28 which I assume was the manufacture date? The rest is egg salad to me???? Best to all, til....lat'r...GT

02-06-2023, 02:05 AM	#9
DTR04 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 52 Thanks: 92 Thanked 36 Times in 18 Posts	IIRC, those numbers are read right to left so, 82.

02-06-2023, 07:51 AM	#10
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	hard to read! Wow, I wouldn't even pass kindergarten in Iran! ...... best to all, til....lat'r...GT...

02-06-2023, 09:49 AM	#11
Kiwi User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Wrong side of the Delaware river Posts: 309 Thanks: 216 Thanked 436 Times in 173 Posts	No, no, G.T. Iran is Persian and speaks Farsi writes Sanskrit Egypt is Arab, speaks and writes Arabic. see how different they look Attached Thumbnails

02-06-2023, 12:55 PM	#12
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	Not a chance in hell! Despite being totally un-recognizable? AND going backwords or from right to left, you might as well add upside down!!!! ... I'll never get past number 82, and that's fine with me... Thanks to all for the input, it was fun and also interesting to find out, Best, til....lat'r....GT

02-06-2023, 03:21 PM	#13
DTR04 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 52 Thanks: 92 Thanked 36 Times in 18 Posts	I would not fire that ammo. It is likely super hot for SMG use and probably corrosive to boot.

02-06-2023, 05:52 PM	#14
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	Yup, that was some cheap shooting fun ammo. I remember getting a couple thousand rounds and had a lot of fun shooting it in carbines. Would have a few failures to fire but great for plinking. Yes it was hot and meant for submachine guns. I know a guy who shot several mags of it through a Sig Sauer P226 handgun. Stupid is as stupid does I guess. It was still shooting fine, but when he cleaned it, there was a crack down the side of the aluminum frame! Back then, Sig replaced the P226 with a new one. That was back then and later they pretty much stopped replacing guns even for LEO's.