three proofs what are they?

BlindJim · 11-08-2003, 09:25 AM

Hopefully I have uploaded the picture properly. I have a luger that has three identical proof marks on the right side of the frame, no others. It also has no chamber date. Anybody have any ideas?

drbuster · 11-08-2003, 11:34 AM

These are Simson military surplus parts proofs, noted on 1933 reworks of WW1 military and commercial models, as per Costanzo's World of Lugers, Proof Marks, page 109, proof #148.

BlindJim · 11-08-2003, 12:43 PM

Thanks so much. Now if I could just figure out why it has a six inch barrel?

drbuster · 11-08-2003, 12:58 PM

BlindJim, please post more pictures so we can all see if the barrel was a period replacement or a WaffenfabrikUSA job. Things like this are interesting to us all. I doubt that the barrel was a Simson replacement, but who knows?

BlindJim · 11-08-2003, 01:30 PM

It was advertised to me as a "Naval Luger" - but as little as I do know - I knew alone "a six inch barrel does not a naval luger make". Will try to get a picture of the whole gun up soon.

Jim

drbuster · 11-08-2003, 02:04 PM

You are right, BlindJim. If you have been following posts both on this Forum and Still's, you would be aware that authenticating Navy Lugers is a science into itself, with much faking and "quicksand" awaiting the newbie and wannabe collector, especially with 1917 models. Does your Luger have the proper Navy rear adjustable site? Those Simson proof marks would be VERY suspect for a Navy, and C/M proofs should be on the left side of the receiver. Looking forward to your pictures.

BlindJim · 11-08-2003, 08:22 PM

Mr Fisher: it does not have the proper site for a naval model. When I bought it, I bought simply as a Luger, and took the naval part with a very large grain of salt.

drbuster · 11-08-2003, 09:38 PM

BlindJim, it sounds like you have a very nice shooter that will be the envy of the shooting range. Accept it as such and have fun. A 6 inch barrel Luger is a great shooter, great balance and feel. Hopefully you paid a shooter's price.

11-08-2003, 09:25 AM	#1
BlindJim User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: a state where my gun rights are infringed Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	three proofs what are they? Hopefully I have uploaded the picture properly. I have a luger that has three identical proof marks on the right side of the frame, no others. It also has no chamber date. Anybody have any ideas?

11-08-2003, 11:34 AM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	These are Simson military surplus parts proofs, noted on 1933 reworks of WW1 military and commercial models, as per Costanzo's World of Lugers, Proof Marks, page 109, proof #148.

11-08-2003, 12:43 PM	#3
BlindJim User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: a state where my gun rights are infringed Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks so much. Now if I could just figure out why it has a six inch barrel?

11-08-2003, 12:58 PM	#4
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	BlindJim, please post more pictures so we can all see if the barrel was a period replacement or a WaffenfabrikUSA job. Things like this are interesting to us all. I doubt that the barrel was a Simson replacement, but who knows?

11-08-2003, 01:30 PM	#5
BlindJim User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: a state where my gun rights are infringed Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It was advertised to me as a "Naval Luger" - but as little as I do know - I knew alone "a six inch barrel does not a naval luger make". Will try to get a picture of the whole gun up soon. Jim

11-08-2003, 02:04 PM	#6
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	You are right, BlindJim. If you have been following posts both on this Forum and Still's, you would be aware that authenticating Navy Lugers is a science into itself, with much faking and "quicksand" awaiting the newbie and wannabe collector, especially with 1917 models. Does your Luger have the proper Navy rear adjustable site? Those Simson proof marks would be VERY suspect for a Navy, and C/M proofs should be on the left side of the receiver. Looking forward to your pictures.

11-08-2003, 08:22 PM	#7
BlindJim User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: a state where my gun rights are infringed Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mr Fisher: it does not have the proper site for a naval model. When I bought it, I bought simply as a Luger, and took the naval part with a very large grain of salt.

11-08-2003, 09:38 PM	#8
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	BlindJim, it sounds like you have a very nice shooter that will be the envy of the shooting range. Accept it as such and have fun. A 6 inch barrel Luger is a great shooter, great balance and feel. Hopefully you paid a shooter's price.