navy luger holster or luger navy holster?

thorston · 11-13-2003, 08:50 AM

Hello,

I am Thorston Wolf from the GDC forum.

I have posted some pics of a holster about which I don't know anything, please have a look

http://daggers.infopop.net/2/OpenTop...3&m=7153005657

All the best

Thorston

Navy · 11-13-2003, 09:43 AM

Hi Thorston and welcome to the forum.

Your link to GDC does not reveal any photographs; can you post them on this forum?

Tom A.

thorston · 11-13-2003, 11:51 AM

Thanks,

I think that you must be subscribed there.

I'll try to post the pics

thorston · 11-13-2003, 12:05 PM

hoooh,

I think I got them through, please have a look

http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/3emeetui3br.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...i1br_copy1.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...i2br_copy1.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/lugerbuch.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/lugerbuch2.jpg
http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/lugerbuch3.jpg

The three pics are from Le Luger, french book

Navy · 11-13-2003, 02:14 PM

Thorston,

You have a *very* rare holster.

That leather was designed to carry the 4" Navy, of which a very, very few (Estimates are less than 300, IIRC) were procured from the DWM commercial production line. I am fortunate enough to own one of these pistols.

The placement of the straps on the back of the holster indicate that, (According to recognized expert Per Jensen) the holster was intended for U-boat service. There are two variations, one with straps directly sewn and one with straps attaching to D-rings. I have one of the latter versions.

If you decide to part with the holster, I would be exceptionally interested in purchasing it.

Hope this helps,

Tom A.

Ron Wood · 11-13-2003, 03:15 PM

Tom,

My French is lousy, but I think your description of the 4" Navy and the holster is pretty close to what is written in Le Luger (the last photo in Torston's post above) except in Le Luger there is no mention of the U-boat configuration. It is a dandy holster and a great find.

Navy · 11-13-2003, 03:50 PM

Ron,

I don't doubt there is no mention of the U-boat usage. Per Jensen confirmed my suspicions several years ago but I don't think it is documented in any of the books that American collectors typically access. His explanation was that the hatchways in a u-boat were so small that wearing a holster in the approved belt carry style was impossible so, although a stock was not employed with the 4" Navy, the same carry method was used so the piece could be repositioned omn the Matrose's body as he moved about the boat. I think I have a picture of a Uboat man wearing such a configuration in my junque back where I used to live before I became ensnared in Huntsgaritaville.
FWIW, Per is now very old and in poor health; hope we can keep experts like him around a long time. That guy has literally owned thousands of Luger holsters over the past 70 or so years.

Tom A.

Doubs · 11-14-2003, 02:02 PM

It's interesting to note that the flap design appears to have been copied when the Portugese Luger holster was made. Is there any indication that DWM made the Portugese holsters?

Navy · 11-14-2003, 07:21 PM

Walker,

it is my understanding that the holsters for ALL Porto Lugers were procured from DWM, then later, Mauser. Undoubtedly, it was subcontracted to a lederwaren firm. Which one is probably on record somewhere, I just don't know where.

Tom A

Doubs · 11-14-2003, 11:38 PM

Thanks, Tom. I have two Portugese holsters that are different in construction. One looks very much like the holster under discussion here but, of course, the length is different because of the Porto's longer barrel. It is also the higher quality holster, IMO.

Navy · 11-15-2003, 11:12 AM

Walker,

It is my understanding that there were 3 basic styles of Porto holster. The most common is the M2 Style (For lack of a better descriptor) which was issued with all of the 1906 style guns. The second was the GNR style, with the high belt loops, which were issued with the 486 to 500 1934/06 GNR pistols. The last was the 1942 model with that strap and brass fastner doohickie that came with the phosphate finished guns. If there are more, they slip my mind at the moment.

Tom A.

thorston · 11-15-2003, 02:38 PM

Thank you very much gentlemen,

Then, what would be a realistic price for it. I must say that I like it, but if I get a reasonable offer I might split with it. I would also trade for ss uniforms etc

Thorston

Navy · 11-15-2003, 03:59 PM

Thorston,
Check your private e-mail.

Tom A.

Doubs · 11-16-2003, 02:11 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Tom A:
Walker,
It is my understanding that there were 3 basic styles of Porto holster. The most common is the M2 Style (For lack of a better descriptor) which was issued with all of the 1906 style guns. Tom A.<hr /></blockquote>Tom, if you go to Jan Still's forum, I posted a thread titled "My Portugese M2" in the Commercial & Contract Lugers section under "1900 - 1918 DWM". I posted pictures of the holsters and you may find them interesting. The construction is different on the one and I'd be interested in knowing who made it. Other than the "AE", it's not marked. The one I suspect was provided by DWM is of a higher quality.

LU1900 · 11-17-2003, 12:02 PM

Hello every body
What about this pic from Still's forum

Navy · 11-17-2003, 12:41 PM

LU,

Thanks, I had forgotten that one. A terrific rig!
Tom A.

11-13-2003, 08:50 AM	#1
thorston User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: old Europe Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	navy luger holster or luger navy holster? Hello, I am Thorston Wolf from the GDC forum. I have posted some pics of a holster about which I don't know anything, please have a look http://daggers.infopop.net/2/OpenTop...3&m=7153005657 All the best Thorston

11-13-2003, 03:15 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Tom, My French is lousy, but I think your description of the 4" Navy and the holster is pretty close to what is written in Le Luger (the last photo in Torston's post above) except in Le Luger there is no mention of the U-boat configuration. It is a dandy holster and a great find. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-16-2003, 02:11 PM	#14
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Tom A: <strong>Walker, It is my understanding that there were 3 basic styles of Porto holster. The most common is the M2 Style (For lack of a better descriptor) which was issued with all of the 1906 style guns. Tom A.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Tom, if you go to Jan Still's forum, I posted a thread titled "My Portugese M2" in the Commercial & Contract Lugers section under "1900 - 1918 DWM". I posted pictures of the holsters and you may find them interesting. The construction is different on the one and I'd be interested in knowing who made it. Other than the "AE", it's not marked. The one I suspect was provided by DWM is of a higher quality.

11-17-2003, 12:02 PM	#15
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 42 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	Hello every body What about this pic from Still's forum __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

11-13-2003, 09:43 AM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Hi Thorston and welcome to the forum. Your link to GDC does not reveal any photographs; can you post them on this forum? Tom A.

11-13-2003, 11:51 AM	#3
thorston User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: old Europe Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks, I think that you must be subscribed there. I'll try to post the pics

11-13-2003, 12:05 PM	#4
thorston User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: old Europe Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hoooh, I think I got them through, please have a look http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/3emeetui3br.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...i1br_copy1.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfuploa...i2br_copy1.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/lugerbuch.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/lugerbuch2.jpg http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/lugerbuch3.jpg The three pics are from Le Luger, french book

11-13-2003, 02:14 PM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Thorston, You have a very rare holster. That leather was designed to carry the 4" Navy, of which a very, very few (Estimates are less than 300, IIRC) were procured from the DWM commercial production line. I am fortunate enough to own one of these pistols. The placement of the straps on the back of the holster indicate that, (According to recognized expert Per Jensen) the holster was intended for U-boat service. There are two variations, one with straps directly sewn and one with straps attaching to D-rings. I have one of the latter versions. If you decide to part with the holster, I would be exceptionally interested in purchasing it. Hope this helps, Tom A.

11-13-2003, 03:50 PM	#7
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Ron, I don't doubt there is no mention of the U-boat usage. Per Jensen confirmed my suspicions several years ago but I don't think it is documented in any of the books that American collectors typically access. His explanation was that the hatchways in a u-boat were so small that wearing a holster in the approved belt carry style was impossible so, although a stock was not employed with the 4" Navy, the same carry method was used so the piece could be repositioned omn the Matrose's body as he moved about the boat. I think I have a picture of a Uboat man wearing such a configuration in my junque back where I used to live before I became ensnared in Huntsgaritaville. FWIW, Per is now very old and in poor health; hope we can keep experts like him around a long time. That guy has literally owned thousands of Luger holsters over the past 70 or so years. Tom A.

11-14-2003, 02:02 PM	#8
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	It's interesting to note that the flap design appears to have been copied when the Portugese Luger holster was made. Is there any indication that DWM made the Portugese holsters?

11-14-2003, 07:21 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Walker, it is my understanding that the holsters for ALL Porto Lugers were procured from DWM, then later, Mauser. Undoubtedly, it was subcontracted to a lederwaren firm. Which one is probably on record somewhere, I just don't know where. Tom A

11-14-2003, 11:38 PM	#10
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	Thanks, Tom. I have two Portugese holsters that are different in construction. One looks very much like the holster under discussion here but, of course, the length is different because of the Porto's longer barrel. It is also the higher quality holster, IMO.

11-15-2003, 11:12 AM	#11
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Walker, It is my understanding that there were 3 basic styles of Porto holster. The most common is the M2 Style (For lack of a better descriptor) which was issued with all of the 1906 style guns. The second was the GNR style, with the high belt loops, which were issued with the 486 to 500 1934/06 GNR pistols. The last was the 1942 model with that strap and brass fastner doohickie that came with the phosphate finished guns. If there are more, they slip my mind at the moment. Tom A.

11-15-2003, 02:38 PM	#12
thorston User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: old Europe Posts: 20 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you very much gentlemen, Then, what would be a realistic price for it. I must say that I like it, but if I get a reasonable offer I might split with it. I would also trade for ss uniforms etc Thorston

11-15-2003, 03:59 PM	#13
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Thorston, Check your private e-mail. Tom A.

11-17-2003, 12:41 PM	#16
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	LU, Thanks, I had forgotten that one. A terrific rig! Tom A.