Safe & Loaded American Eagle Mr. Still suggest

Mike B · 03-10-2007, 10:27 PM

I had the distinct pleasure of speaking to Mr. Jan Still last night about purchasing one of his books. While I was speaking to him, I took advantage of the monent and asked his opinion about my Safe and Loaded American Eagle. To my surprise, he suggested I present it to the Luger forum for evaluation where he along with others might share opinions. I realize he has his own forum, but I informed him I was much more comfortalbe here and he found no problem with that. So here are a few pictures of this wonderful old Luger. It appears to be new and unfired. Along with the help of Dwight, it appears there are about four of these Safe and Loaded with the American Eagle Crest. If anyone else has one or knows the whereabouts of one, please come forward with the serial number for Dwight's database. Thanks,

Mike

Edward Tinker · 03-10-2007, 10:46 PM

Nice Mike.

Jan is one of the nicest guys to deal with / talk to, has helped me tremendously in the past.

ed

MFC · 03-11-2007, 02:04 AM

Hi Mike,
The other 3 Safe & Loaded AE's have 5 digit S#'s, this one is an Alphabet Commercial; 4 digit S# w/ suffix, which so far according to Dwight's database is 1 of a kind. And to be in new & unfired condition, a real treasure.
Mike C.

Dwight Gruber · 03-11-2007, 04:53 AM

Mike,

Thats an incredibly sweet Luger. I had my eye on it for a long, long time, I'm glad that it has gone to a good home.

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 03-11-2007, 12:34 PM

Anyone remember the details of a Safe & Loaded Luger an older (and a bit grumpy) guy named Frank Cannon usually had for sale at Reno for $ 4K asking ???

waltherguy · 03-11-2007, 12:52 PM

Mike,

That Luger is a GEM! I think its fantastic.

Dwight Gruber · 03-11-2007, 01:11 PM

Pete,

I actually found Frank's gun in my notes, it was a Stoeger and he wanted $4.5k. He's local to me, but I haven't seen him at a gun show in two or three years now.

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 03-11-2007, 01:26 PM

Thanks, Dwight...could not remember the details other than the Safe/Loaded markings.

George Anderson · 03-11-2007, 02:22 PM

Mike, you certainly have a nice Luger there. I am but a pedestrian when it comes to the many variations in 1920's imported Lugers but I do have a few at hand presently and have noted some of my observations below:

I have a .30 calibre 1920 (alphabet) serial number 6463k, neither an Eagle nor "SAFE, LOADED" marked. It is in about 98% condition. The overall finish of the steel under the bluing appears a bit smoother than yours. THe wear on the side of the extractor is almost nonexistant but very even. Like yours, the"GERMANY" is pretty light. The barrel serial number exhibits a halo. The hold-open is not numbered.

Also in the sack is a 1923 type .30 calibre that is "SAFE,LOADED" marked, its serial number is 91531. This is professionally restore gun so any comparisons of finish carry little weight. The "SAFE" marking seems to be deeper than yours. The hold-open is not numbered.

Last is a Stoeger artillery 9 mm serial number 513t. This pistol is believed by those who have examined it to be in original 98% condition. It is "SAFE,LOADED" marked with the eagle. The eagle appears to differ from yours in some very minor ways which can be explained by the wear on equipment. The barrel number on this gun may have a halo but maybe not. The hold-open is not numbered.

Dwight Gruber · 03-11-2007, 11:55 PM

George,

Glad to hear about the interesting pistols. The Safe/Loaded artillery is new to the database, could you tell me, Stoeger howmany lines? .30 or 9mm?

Any more Commercials in hand that I might like to know about?

--Dwight

Pete Ebbink · 03-12-2007, 12:16 PM

Dwight,

If I recall, George bought it from David Jackson. There might still be photos in David's old sales ad on the LF or over at Jan's Gun Boards...

George Anderson · 03-12-2007, 01:13 PM

Extensive photos of both my artillery eagles can be found on Jan Still's forum under the 1918-1933 DWM, Simson, etc area. They are two different entries.

Pete Ebbink · 03-12-2007, 01:25 PM

One of George's postings :

http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp...Terms=stoeger+

Pete Ebbink · 03-16-2007, 12:11 AM

Another safe/loaded Luger for sale with Brocks :

http://brocks.macrobatix.com/default...qskudatarq=871

Close up photos of this Brocks gun's safe & loaded stampings :

03-10-2007, 10:27 PM	#1
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 271 Times in 99 Posts	Safe & Loaded American Eagle Mr. Still suggest I had the distinct pleasure of speaking to Mr. Jan Still last night about purchasing one of his books. While I was speaking to him, I took advantage of the monent and asked his opinion about my Safe and Loaded American Eagle. To my surprise, he suggested I present it to the Luger forum for evaluation where he along with others might share opinions. I realize he has his own forum, but I informed him I was much more comfortalbe here and he found no problem with that. So here are a few pictures of this wonderful old Luger. It appears to be new and unfired. Along with the help of Dwight, it appears there are about four of these Safe and Loaded with the American Eagle Crest. If anyone else has one or knows the whereabouts of one, please come forward with the serial number for Dwight's database. Thanks, Mike

03-10-2007, 10:46 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Nice Mike. Jan is one of the nicest guys to deal with / talk to, has helped me tremendously in the past. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-11-2007, 02:04 AM	#3
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Mike, The other 3 Safe & Loaded AE's have 5 digit S#'s, this one is an Alphabet Commercial; 4 digit S# w/ suffix, which so far according to Dwight's database is 1 of a kind. And to be in new & unfired condition, a real treasure. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

03-11-2007, 12:52 PM	#6
waltherguy User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: FL Posts: 201 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mike, That Luger is a GEM! I think its fantastic. __________________ "In a man to man fight the winner is the one who puts an extra round in his magazine" -Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

03-11-2007, 04:53 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Mike, Thats an incredibly sweet Luger. I had my eye on it for a long, long time, I'm glad that it has gone to a good home. --Dwight

03-11-2007, 12:34 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Anyone remember the details of a Safe & Loaded Luger an older (and a bit grumpy) guy named Frank Cannon usually had for sale at Reno for $ 4K asking ???

03-11-2007, 01:11 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Pete, I actually found Frank's gun in my notes, it was a Stoeger and he wanted $4.5k. He's local to me, but I haven't seen him at a gun show in two or three years now. --Dwight

03-11-2007, 01:26 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Dwight...could not remember the details other than the Safe/Loaded markings.

03-11-2007, 02:22 PM	#9
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Mike, you certainly have a nice Luger there. I am but a pedestrian when it comes to the many variations in 1920's imported Lugers but I do have a few at hand presently and have noted some of my observations below: I have a .30 calibre 1920 (alphabet) serial number 6463k, neither an Eagle nor "SAFE, LOADED" marked. It is in about 98% condition. The overall finish of the steel under the bluing appears a bit smoother than yours. THe wear on the side of the extractor is almost nonexistant but very even. Like yours, the"GERMANY" is pretty light. The barrel serial number exhibits a halo. The hold-open is not numbered. Also in the sack is a 1923 type .30 calibre that is "SAFE,LOADED" marked, its serial number is 91531. This is professionally restore gun so any comparisons of finish carry little weight. The "SAFE" marking seems to be deeper than yours. The hold-open is not numbered. Last is a Stoeger artillery 9 mm serial number 513t. This pistol is believed by those who have examined it to be in original 98% condition. It is "SAFE,LOADED" marked with the eagle. The eagle appears to differ from yours in some very minor ways which can be explained by the wear on equipment. The barrel number on this gun may have a halo but maybe not. The hold-open is not numbered.

03-11-2007, 11:55 PM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	George, Glad to hear about the interesting pistols. The Safe/Loaded artillery is new to the database, could you tell me, Stoeger howmany lines? .30 or 9mm? Any more Commercials in hand that I might like to know about? --Dwight

03-12-2007, 12:16 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Dwight, If I recall, George bought it from David Jackson. There might still be photos in David's old sales ad on the LF or over at Jan's Gun Boards...

03-12-2007, 01:13 PM	#12
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Extensive photos of both my artillery eagles can be found on Jan Still's forum under the 1918-1933 DWM, Simson, etc area. They are two different entries.

03-12-2007, 01:25 PM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	One of George's postings : http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp...Terms=stoeger+

03-16-2007, 12:11 AM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Another safe/loaded Luger for sale with Brocks : http://brocks.macrobatix.com/default...qskudatarq=871 Close up photos of this Brocks gun's safe & loaded stampings :