Newbie in need of ID of a DWM

Stony · 06-15-2016, 04:04 PM

Can anyone help me with this?
All the numbers match, and came with 2 matching magazines. I have no idea what its worth. I tried identifying myself, by the crown over W doesn't match up with the DWM on the toggle.

Norme · 06-15-2016, 04:20 PM

Hi Mike,
Welcome to the forum. Your gun was assembled from two different Lugers (at least), both DWM and Erfurt, and at some point was converted for Police use by the addition of a sear safety. If you want to know more, you will have to post clearer photos.
Regards, Norm

DavidJayUden · 06-15-2016, 04:21 PM

Well, it is reworked for the police, and the magazines are either force-matched or later numbered to the gun. I'm seeing what I believe to be Erfurt marks throughout, but the no-date chamber and the DWM rear toggle link are puzzlers. I'm going out on a limb here and suggesting that it was later assembled from pieces, but will be interested to hear what the others say.
More photos please, including the numbers on the rear toggle.
dju

DavidJayUden · 06-15-2016, 04:28 PM

Proof, again, that really GREAT minds think alike...
dju

DonVoigt · 06-15-2016, 07:59 PM

Frame for sure is Erfurt.
Need to see both sides of chamber and top/bottom dis assembled for more info.

Stony · 06-15-2016, 10:04 PM

Here are a few of the rear of the toggle

I'm a little hesitant on disassembly but if it helps identify it further, I'll sit down and watch some videos on disassembly.

Judging from what has been said so far- I'm afraid I over-paid for it
$2400. I didn't know enough about them, but I knew matching serial #'s were a good thing.

Stony · 06-15-2016, 10:29 PM

Here are a few after a field strip.

Stony · 06-15-2016, 10:31 PM

and 2 more...I know its hard to see, but on the inside of the frame, that number is an 84

Stony · 06-15-2016, 10:51 PM

and the last few

DonVoigt · 06-15-2016, 11:45 PM

You have a re-built/repaired Police used luger.
Frame is Erfurt, Upper is DWM and numbered to match it appears.

Unfortunately, IMO, yes- you overpaid by quite a bit.

But just chalk it up to education costs, and enjoy it.

Welcome to the board.

Edward Tinker · 06-15-2016, 11:54 PM

the close ups are good, but almost too close for many parts

there were many erfurts repaired (refrubished) by DWM and received DWM toggles

The magazines I would have to look closer, if 'forced' matched that is one thing, if numbered for the gun by the police, it is acceptable. I am sorry, I am tired and its been a long day...

If its like I think, then yes you paid retail price for a two matching magazine police luger, and most would say too much, but not incredibly.

Ed

DonVoigt · 06-16-2016, 01:18 AM

Still missing the markings on the right side of the chamber.

You don't have to take the pistol apart to take that photo.

Stony · 06-16-2016, 07:52 AM

Thanks for all the help guys!
Definitely not the worst thing I've spent money on- but like everyone, I hate the idea of being had. But to be truthful, I don't think the guy that sold it to me knew what he had either. Glad I talked him down from $2800

Eugen · 06-16-2016, 09:28 AM

Stony, you have a unique and interesting Luger that I am sure you are going to enjoy. Thanks for sharing the photos. After you shoot it, give us a range report.

Sergio Natali · 06-16-2016, 11:10 AM

Mike

It is a nice Luger, although a bit of a mixmaster, i.e. bits and parts coming from different pistols, mags included that although they forced to find the same s/n have nothing to do with each other.
It's a nice shooter rather than a collectible, if you'll ever use it at the range stay away from heavy loads.
Thanks for sharing.

rhuff · 06-16-2016, 03:27 PM

Welcome to the forum. You are not the first, nor will you be the last to overpay on buying a first Luger!! That "Luger lust" comes into play, and rules the purchase. I did the very same thing many years ago, but now it is worth more than I paid back then, and I have enjoyed it all of these years.

You have a shooter class Luger, which to me, is a good thing, especially for one's first Luger. Learn about it, shoot it, and enjoy it.

06-15-2016, 04:04 PM	#1
Stony User Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Newbie in need of ID of a DWM Can anyone help me with this? All the numbers match, and came with 2 matching magazines. I have no idea what its worth. I tried identifying myself, by the crown over W doesn't match up with the DWM on the toggle. Attached Thumbnails

06-15-2016, 07:59 PM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,351 Times in 2,040 Posts	Frame for sure is Erfurt. Need to see both sides of chamber and top/bottom dis assembled for more info. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-15-2016, 10:04 PM	#6
Stony User Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here are a few of the rear of the toggle I'm a little hesitant on disassembly but if it helps identify it further, I'll sit down and watch some videos on disassembly. Judging from what has been said so far- I'm afraid I over-paid for it $2400. I didn't know enough about them, but I knew matching serial #'s were a good thing. Attached Thumbnails

06-15-2016, 10:29 PM	#7
Stony User Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Here are a few after a field strip. Attached Thumbnails

06-15-2016, 10:31 PM	#8
Stony User Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	and 2 more...I know its hard to see, but on the inside of the frame, that number is an 84 Attached Thumbnails

06-15-2016, 04:20 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Mike, Welcome to the forum. Your gun was assembled from two different Lugers (at least), both DWM and Erfurt, and at some point was converted for Police use by the addition of a sear safety. If you want to know more, you will have to post clearer photos. Regards, Norm

06-15-2016, 04:21 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Well, it is reworked for the police, and the magazines are either force-matched or later numbered to the gun. I'm seeing what I believe to be Erfurt marks throughout, but the no-date chamber and the DWM rear toggle link are puzzlers. I'm going out on a limb here and suggesting that it was later assembled from pieces, but will be interested to hear what the others say. More photos please, including the numbers on the rear toggle. dju

06-15-2016, 04:28 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Proof, again, that really GREAT minds think alike... dju

06-15-2016, 10:51 PM	#9
Stony User Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	and the last few Attached Thumbnails

06-15-2016, 11:45 PM	#10
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,351 Times in 2,040 Posts	You have a re-built/repaired Police used luger. Frame is Erfurt, Upper is DWM and numbered to match it appears. Unfortunately, IMO, yes- you overpaid by quite a bit. But just chalk it up to education costs, and enjoy it. Welcome to the board. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-15-2016, 11:54 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,938 Thanks: 2,035 Thanked 4,538 Times in 2,097 Posts	the close ups are good, but almost too close for many parts there were many erfurts repaired (refrubished) by DWM and received DWM toggles The magazines I would have to look closer, if 'forced' matched that is one thing, if numbered for the gun by the police, it is acceptable. I am sorry, I am tired and its been a long day... If its like I think, then yes you paid retail price for a two matching magazine police luger, and most would say too much, but not incredibly. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-16-2016, 01:18 AM	#12
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,351 Times in 2,040 Posts	Still missing the markings on the right side of the chamber. You don't have to take the pistol apart to take that photo. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

06-16-2016, 07:52 AM	#13
Stony User Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the help guys! Definitely not the worst thing I've spent money on- but like everyone, I hate the idea of being had. But to be truthful, I don't think the guy that sold it to me knew what he had either. Glad I talked him down from $2800

06-16-2016, 09:28 AM	#14
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 395 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	Stony, you have a unique and interesting Luger that I am sure you are going to enjoy. Thanks for sharing the photos. After you shoot it, give us a range report. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

06-16-2016, 11:10 AM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Mike It is a nice Luger, although a bit of a mixmaster, i.e. bits and parts coming from different pistols, mags included that although they forced to find the same s/n have nothing to do with each other. It's a nice shooter rather than a collectible, if you'll ever use it at the range stay away from heavy loads. Thanks for sharing. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

06-16-2016, 03:27 PM	#16
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,292 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 973 Times in 718 Posts	Welcome to the forum. You are not the first, nor will you be the last to overpay on buying a first Luger!! That "Luger lust" comes into play, and rules the purchase. I did the very same thing many years ago, but now it is worth more than I paid back then, and I have enjoyed it all of these years. You have a shooter class Luger, which to me, is a good thing, especially for one's first Luger. Learn about it, shoot it, and enjoy it.