The Lausanne gun show 2011, a tour...

Guisan · 12-04-2011, 01:49 PM

Enjoy !

http://www.youtube.com/user/Guisaninfo?feature=guide

Guisan.

cirelaw · 12-04-2011, 02:43 PM

At least it is in Florida! Nice selection..

Ron Wood · 12-04-2011, 03:05 PM

Thank you Frank! Not as good as actually being there but very enjoyable. Looked like there was a fairly good selection of Lugers and C96s although the views were far too brief. Also a nice assortment of headgear and edged weapons.
Thought I caught a glimpse of a couple of familar faces, but it could be my imagination. Also heard a smattering or two of English being spoken...not unusual for Europe but interesting all the same.
Again, thank you for this brief tour of a Swiss gun show.

cirelaw · 12-04-2011, 03:21 PM

Can you purchase and bring back legally a firearm there?

Guisan · 12-04-2011, 03:29 PM

It was actually the first time that I used the video function on my photo cam, had to try at the show first on how to get it to work and still did it wrong but something came out ok.
That English speaking was between Werner Kessler (from the auctions) and a guy I don't know. There were many people from abroad and Bob Simpson was one of them, I had a short talk with him there last Thursday.
The clip was taken just shortly before the show opened it's doors and I could not have done this no more after the crowd came in so I made it at the final moment before.

Funny thing is that this show is a mix of languages, it takes place in the French part of Switzerland so French rules but of course German, English, Flemish and many other languages are heard there, it's one of the things I like best.

Guisan.

Ron Wood · 12-04-2011, 03:29 PM

For all practical purposes, no. Except for antique arms, the import paperwork is mind boggling. and antique guns can be a pain as well. One of the forum members has had considerable experience in importing guns and does not find it particulaly daunting, but it is not for the novice.

Guisan · 12-04-2011, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Can you purchase and bring back legally a firearm there?

Yes but you can't take it back home in your suitcase, the gun sellers there are all certified gun dealers that are able to export so buying is possible but it stays with the dealer till the ATF allows you to import it through the dealer of your choice at your side of the pond.
Michael Zeleny made a very good posting on my forum on how to import guns from Switzerland....
http://theswissriflesdotcommessagebo...Importing-Guns

Guisan.

Guisan · 12-04-2011, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

For all practical purposes, no. Except for antique arms, the import paperwork is mind boggling. and antique guns can be a pain as well. One of the forum members has had considerable experience in importing guns and does not find it particulaly daunting, but it is not for the novice.

Under the latest Swiss gun laws antique is before 1870 only, so in no way a Luger, the paperwork is not that bad just the waiting time before you get it is, some 6 months they are....

Guisan.

cirelaw · 12-04-2011, 03:52 PM

How do prces fare with those in the USA?

Guisan · 12-04-2011, 04:16 PM

Oooof, I did not look into the prices, The $ is less as the CHF now so not cheap but the official retailers in the USA have that same problem also so it's still worth it to travel over to CH and hold the gun of your choice into your hands first before you buy it.
The next good show is the Luzern one in March/April, there is even better stuff there and it's close to Zürich airport.

Guisan.

cirelaw · 12-04-2011, 04:45 PM

Are there any kind of luger only availabe in Switzerland?

Guisan · 12-05-2011, 02:52 PM

Luger only what ?

Guisan.

CavScoutEurope · 12-05-2011, 10:53 PM

I imported a Luger from Germany and it was a small nightmare!! My importer did not help the situation though. I finally had to do all the work as far as the ATF paperwork goes. I just used him for his license! My exporter in Germany was great though! The only reason it was a nightmare was because the Luger was military surplus. I also imported three other firearms with no issue what-so-ever. It also helped that I shipped it in government house hold goods...

cirelaw · 12-05-2011, 11:00 PM

Eric and I know nothing about importation but whats the advantages to buy from acrooss the pond? What might they have available over there that not available here in the good ole USA

Vlim · 12-06-2011, 06:52 AM

Switzerland used to be a nice place to buy well kept Swiss army pistols. Since the people who they were issued to were able to purchase, keep and use them (with sponsored ammunition) for target shooting, there are quite a few of them around and in good condition.

Things changed over here when the Swiss lugers in .30 luger ended up on the exemption list in Belgium. It is possible to own a Swiss luger without any kind of permit legally there, as long as you don't have the ammunition for it.

This created a situation where the retail value of a Swiss luger in Belgium almost doubled overnight. We used to buy them for around 700 Euros, now you have to look really hard to find one below 1500 ...

The inflated Belgian prices also influenced the prices in the surrounding countries. Those who bought at the right moment came out very well

Douglas Jr. · 12-06-2011, 08:46 AM

Guisan,

Many thanks for the "tour"!
Douglas.

Ben M. · 12-07-2011, 08:38 PM

Do not forget about the dreaded importer markings that will be stamped on the gun once in the USA.

CavScoutEurope · 12-15-2011, 02:36 PM

My importer forgot to mark my Luger! So I actually have a VOPO with no import stamp on it.

swissdagger · 12-18-2011, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

At least it is in Florida! Nice selection..

Cameras are also not allowed at the gunshows in Lausanne and Lucern but ,as you can see,some peoples are not interested to respect rules and laws in foreign countries.

Guisan · 12-18-2011, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swissdagger

Cameras are also not allowed at the gunshows in Lausanne and Lucern but ,as you can see,some peoples are not interested to respect rules and laws in foreign countries.

And some people can't stand me, that is the real reason that you are writing this.

Guisan.

12-04-2011, 01:49 PM	#1
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	The Lausanne gun show 2011, a tour... Enjoy ! http://www.youtube.com/user/Guisaninfo?feature=guide Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

12-04-2011, 02:43 PM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I Thought cameras in a Gunshow Is A No No! At least it is in Florida! Nice selection..

12-04-2011, 03:05 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Thank you Frank! Not as good as actually being there but very enjoyable. Looked like there was a fairly good selection of Lugers and C96s although the views were far too brief. Also a nice assortment of headgear and edged weapons. Thought I caught a glimpse of a couple of familar faces, but it could be my imagination. Also heard a smattering or two of English being spoken...not unusual for Europe but interesting all the same. Again, thank you for this brief tour of a Swiss gun show. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-04-2011, 03:29 PM	#5
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	It was actually the first time that I used the video function on my photo cam, had to try at the show first on how to get it to work and still did it wrong but something came out ok. That English speaking was between Werner Kessler (from the auctions) and a guy I don't know. There were many people from abroad and Bob Simpson was one of them, I had a short talk with him there last Thursday. The clip was taken just shortly before the show opened it's doors and I could not have done this no more after the crowd came in so I made it at the final moment before. Funny thing is that this show is a mix of languages, it takes place in the French part of Switzerland so French rules but of course German, English, Flemish and many other languages are heard there, it's one of the things I like best. Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

12-04-2011, 03:29 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	For all practical purposes, no. Except for antique arms, the import paperwork is mind boggling. and antique guns can be a pain as well. One of the forum members has had considerable experience in importing guns and does not find it particulaly daunting, but it is not for the novice. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-04-2011, 03:21 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Can you purchase and bring back legally a firearm there?

12-04-2011, 03:52 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	How do prces fare with those in the USA?

12-04-2011, 04:16 PM	#10
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Oooof, I did not look into the prices, The $ is less as the CHF now so not cheap but the official retailers in the USA have that same problem also so it's still worth it to travel over to CH and hold the gun of your choice into your hands first before you buy it. The next good show is the Luzern one in March/April, there is even better stuff there and it's close to Zürich airport. Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

12-04-2011, 04:45 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Are there any kind of luger only availabe in Switzerland? Attached Thumbnails

12-05-2011, 02:52 PM	#12
Guisan User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 112 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Luger only what ? Guisan. __________________ Fight to your last cartridge, then fight with your bayonets. No surrender. Fight to the death. --Gen. Henri Guisan, Switzerland, July '40

12-05-2011, 10:53 PM	#13
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	I imported a Luger from Germany and it was a small nightmare!! My importer did not help the situation though. I finally had to do all the work as far as the ATF paperwork goes. I just used him for his license! My exporter in Germany was great though! The only reason it was a nightmare was because the Luger was military surplus. I also imported three other firearms with no issue what-so-ever. It also helped that I shipped it in government house hold goods...

12-05-2011, 11:00 PM	#14
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Eric and I know nothing about importation but whats the advantages to buy from acrooss the pond? What might they have available over there that not available here in the good ole USA

12-06-2011, 06:52 AM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Switzerland used to be a nice place to buy well kept Swiss army pistols. Since the people who they were issued to were able to purchase, keep and use them (with sponsored ammunition) for target shooting, there are quite a few of them around and in good condition. Things changed over here when the Swiss lugers in .30 luger ended up on the exemption list in Belgium. It is possible to own a Swiss luger without any kind of permit legally there, as long as you don't have the ammunition for it. This created a situation where the retail value of a Swiss luger in Belgium almost doubled overnight. We used to buy them for around 700 Euros, now you have to look really hard to find one below 1500 ... The inflated Belgian prices also influenced the prices in the surrounding countries. Those who bought at the right moment came out very well

12-06-2011, 08:46 AM	#16
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Guisan, Many thanks for the "tour"! Douglas.

12-07-2011, 08:38 PM	#17
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	Do not forget about the dreaded importer markings that will be stamped on the gun once in the USA.

12-15-2011, 02:36 PM	#18
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	My importer forgot to mark my Luger! So I actually have a VOPO with no import stamp on it.

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