luger basement find...

sewerrat66 · 02-06-2013, 04:35 PM

Hello, iam new to the luger forum. i found a couple of guns well i was cleaning out a uncles basement. i know he served in ww2 and brought a couple of these guns home with him. i was wondering if anyone could be useful and have any info on this luger. serial # is 4764. iam guessing by the swiss cross that its swiss. thanks, Ray

rhuff · 02-06-2013, 04:55 PM

This Luger appears to be a parts gun, as the serial numbers on many parts do not match the serial numbers on the frame.

lugersrkewl · 02-06-2013, 05:04 PM

Howdy do, welcome to the forum you have a very mismatched 1906 swiss model I think its a military contract one but still heavily mismatched. should be .30 luger has the control proof of Herr Vogelsang.It also has at least one mismatch nazi part on it. Are you planning on selling it?

Ron Wood · 02-06-2013, 05:52 PM

A slight correction, you have an Old Model 1900 Swiss military Luger. The guys are correct that it has some mis-matched parts. From what I can see the takedown lever and side plate are from different guns. What is really notable is that the forward toggle link and breechblock are of the New Model variety from 1906 or later. This is a bit of a coincidence since this is the second Old Model Swiss Luger with a New Model forward toggle link and breechblock that has been reported within a week.

Ben M. · 02-07-2013, 09:28 PM

breechblock looks to have a nazi era proof ???

lugersrkewl · 02-08-2013, 01:09 AM

I went off Datigs book with serial to come up with 06. military and commercial can be determined by serial number placement? I still cant figure out the difference between 1900 and 1906. dished toggles? trigger and frame widths? sear bar length? frame around grips?

Ron Wood · 02-08-2013, 01:33 AM

Two quick tip-offs for a 1900: The trigger guard is the same width as the frame and dished toggles.
If the grips were removed you would see that the mainspring is a flat laminated spring rather than a coil spring. The dished toggles also come with a toggle lock in the right toggle knob. The breech block is flat on top and has a flat spring extractor.

A 1906 has a trigger guard that is narrower than the frame and the toggle knobs are flat. The Luger being discussed here has been modified to a 1906 type breechblock. Serial numbering on a 1906 didn't start until around 25,000, way later than the 4-digit serial number on this gun.

Edward Tinker · 02-08-2013, 02:19 AM

Besides the 1900 Swiss (which I would love to own

) is a P38, a Colt Commando (??) and a unknown 25 acp or 32 acp pistol

alanint · 02-08-2013, 07:47 AM

The revolver looks like an early S&W Model 10.

Nice grouping of guns and in generally good condition to find in a Basement!!

sewerrat66 · 02-08-2013, 08:34 AM

thank you, the other guns are a p38, a s&w m&p, and a mossberg .22 brownie.also not pictured was a quality hardware m1 carbine. not a bad haul for cleaning out a basement on a crappy sunday

DavidJayUden · 02-08-2013, 09:05 AM

ALMOST makes me want to clean my basement...
dju

02-06-2013, 04:35 PM	#1
sewerrat66 New User Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	luger basement find... Hello, iam new to the luger forum. i found a couple of guns well i was cleaning out a uncles basement. i know he served in ww2 and brought a couple of these guns home with him. i was wondering if anyone could be useful and have any info on this luger. serial # is 4764. iam guessing by the swiss cross that its swiss. thanks, Ray Attached Thumbnails

02-06-2013, 05:52 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	A slight correction, you have an Old Model 1900 Swiss military Luger. The guys are correct that it has some mis-matched parts. From what I can see the takedown lever and side plate are from different guns. What is really notable is that the forward toggle link and breechblock are of the New Model variety from 1906 or later. This is a bit of a coincidence since this is the second Old Model Swiss Luger with a New Model forward toggle link and breechblock that has been reported within a week. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-08-2013, 01:33 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Two quick tip-offs for a 1900: The trigger guard is the same width as the frame and dished toggles. If the grips were removed you would see that the mainspring is a flat laminated spring rather than a coil spring. The dished toggles also come with a toggle lock in the right toggle knob. The breech block is flat on top and has a flat spring extractor. A 1906 has a trigger guard that is narrower than the frame and the toggle knobs are flat. The Luger being discussed here has been modified to a 1906 type breechblock. Serial numbering on a 1906 didn't start until around 25,000, way later than the 4-digit serial number on this gun. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-08-2013, 02:19 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Besides the 1900 Swiss (which I would love to own ) is a P38, a Colt Commando (??) and a unknown 25 acp or 32 acp pistol __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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02-06-2013, 04:55 PM	#2
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	This Luger appears to be a parts gun, as the serial numbers on many parts do not match the serial numbers on the frame.

02-06-2013, 05:04 PM	#3
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	Howdy do, welcome to the forum you have a very mismatched 1906 swiss model I think its a military contract one but still heavily mismatched. should be .30 luger has the control proof of Herr Vogelsang.It also has at least one mismatch nazi part on it. Are you planning on selling it?

02-07-2013, 09:28 PM	#5
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	breechblock looks to have a nazi era proof ???

02-08-2013, 01:09 AM	#6
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	I went off Datigs book with serial to come up with 06. military and commercial can be determined by serial number placement? I still cant figure out the difference between 1900 and 1906. dished toggles? trigger and frame widths? sear bar length? frame around grips?

02-08-2013, 07:47 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The revolver looks like an early S&W Model 10. Nice grouping of guns and in generally good condition to find in a Basement!!

02-08-2013, 08:34 AM	#10
sewerrat66 New User Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thank you, the other guns are a p38, a s&w m&p, and a mossberg .22 brownie.also not pictured was a quality hardware m1 carbine. not a bad haul for cleaning out a basement on a crappy sunday

02-08-2013, 09:05 AM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	ALMOST makes me want to clean my basement... dju