Nice Old Luger

[rnetzley]

Hello Im new to this forum
I have a nice old Luger that I believe is a commercial model in 30 Luger
Serial is 7150 it appears to have all matching numbers with 2 matching numbered mags
It would be great if some of you guys could give me some more info about this gun
Pics attached

Respectfully Bob

[George Anderson]

I'd be interested in seeing photos of the "two matching numbered mags".

[Edward Tinker]

It technically is serial number xxxx and the suffix below the number

[DavidJayUden]

Bob;
Yes, a nice old commercial Luger, probably made in the 1920's for the export commercial market. Very nice condition. They were generally sold with un-numbered magazines so it is important that you photo those closely, as they were probably added somewhere along the way afterwards.
Congratulations and let us know if you have specific questions.
dju

[rnetzley]

Thanks for the response attached are the pics of the mags
1 of them says Germany and the the last two of the serial 50 the other 1 just has the last 2 of the serial I also have the holster

On another note I have an 11'' barrel serial 7438 attached are pics

These items belonged to my father and he picked them up in the 50's and early 60's I had never seen him shoot the Luger we always shot modern weapons

looks like it would be fun to shoot it seems to be in great shape and nice and tight

[ithacaartist]

Welcome to the forum, Bob!

Your upper was made from a 1914 military P.08's barrel extension and an aftermarket barrel which was very crudely installed. The barrel extension was over-worked, as is evidenced by the shallowness of the 1914 manufacture date. It could be set up as a novelty piece for shooting, whether by you or someone else. One member recently bought an LP.08 (Artillery) upper, which he puts atop the frame of another gun--now it's two in one.

[rnetzley]

Thank you

[DavidJayUden]

Bob:
For a military gun the magazines should both have the full serial number and the suffix letter too, so the "50" is doubtfully original, although both are from the correct period. Commercials generally came with un-numbered magazines.
That long barreled upper does look interesting and would be fun to play with as a spare.
dju

[Curss]

If you ever wish to take it out to the range, Fiocchi makes .30 Luger ammunition. Its always worked well in my commercial Luger, and is a pleasant round to shoot in general. Kinda wish I could chamber some of my other guns in it.

[John Sabato]

I am a bit concerned about the use of two set-screws on the long barreled Luger... one on either side of the upper receiver, that appear to hold the barrel in alignment. There should be no need for these screws and the modification of the receiver to hold the barrel in place.

Has anyone seen this type of barrel installation before on a Luger?

[Lugerdoc]

John, I have not seen the use of set screws either. The suffix letter on this creation appears to be a lower case L with DWM military inspector's marking on the right side of receiver. TH

[rnetzley]

Yes it doesn't look good to me either I won't put it on a gun
Thanks

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by rnetzley

Yes it doesn't look good to me either I won't put it on a gun
Thanks

Try taking the set screws out and see if you can unscrew the barrel by hand. Maybe clamp the extension sideways in a vise (without crushing the forks) and wrap a rag around the barrel and try to unscrew it.

I would guess the setscrews are a 'bubba' solution to timing the barrel to the extension. Best case scenario, you'll be able to unscrew the barrel without too much effort. Worst case is that there are no threads on that 'bubba' barrel and the setscrews are the only thing holding it in place...

[DavidJayUden]

I'd suggest removing the set screws to determine if the barrel is free to come out then. If not they may be there to stop any rotation of the threads, as this barrel doesn't have the "shoulder" to butt up against the extension. If, on the other hand, if they are removed and the barrel pulls out , then it is probably time to hang it up.
dju

[rhuff]

Originally Posted by Curss

Its always worked well in my commercial Luger, and is a pleasant round to shoot in general. Kinda wish I could chamber some of my other guns in it.

I don't know if Bar-Sto is still making conversion barrels in 30 Luger, but they made me one for for a Browning HP, and one for a Colt Defender. I fitted them and am currently running 30 Luger ammo "down the pipes"!! They are a real hoot to shoot, and quite accurate, as one would expect.

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I'd suggest removing the set screws to determine if the barrel is free to come out then. If not they may be there to stop any rotation of the threads, as this barrel doesn't have the "shoulder" to butt up against the extension. If, on the other hand, if they are removed and the barrel pulls out , then it is probably time to hang it up.
dju

Sheepherder, If the barrel threads in, then the set screws would not be the only thing holding the barrel in place... however if, as David has suggested might be the case, the barrel is just a pressed in fit, and the set screws are the only thing holding the barrel in place, this receiver is toast.

David I agree with you, It looks to me that it was a former .30 caliber rifle barrel that was used which had sufficient diameter for threads, but insufficient diameter to create a shoulder. Set screws might not be an elegant "bubba" solution, but I don't believe a screwed in barrel with set screws to prevent rotation would be a dangerous situation.

[rnetzley]

Thanks to all of you for sharing all your information
I came to this forum knowing nothing about these fine guns and every thread I read educates me a little more
Yesterday I went to the gun show here in Mesa AZ and I met very knowledgeable Luger guy who turned out be forum member GT, he took the gun apart and looked at everything. He showed me what I had and why, very cool and I really appreciate the fact that he took the time to do this.
He confirmed I have a nice Alphabet Commercial (4-digit with letter suffix serial number) manufactured 1921-1929 Most likely a police model , this gun has a L suffix
The gun does have a couple of minor issues, needs a take-down lever spring, one mag is German needs new wood bottom, the other mag is after market needs cleanup and a new wood bottom and the gun needs new grips
My interest in this gun has changed from what’s the gun worth to putting the gun back into great shooting condition and loving it.
I owe this to all the great threads and members of this forum

[wlyon]

Bob
Welcome. When you met GT you met one of the best. He is not only a skilled craftsman but a very nice man. Bill

[DavidJayUden]

Did G. T. get to look at the long-barrelled upper? He would be the man who could best guide you.
dju

[rnetzley]

He did not I did not bring it, it is something I will not use but I may be having GT build me one of those in the near future looks like a good time to me