Another fake, or an aberation?

Ponyman · 03-13-2005, 11:28 AM

Auction item has no chamber mark, Swiss cross / sunburst on toggle, no grip safety.

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6517393

The identification list in Walter's Luger Story does not verify this variation.

Ron Smith · 03-13-2005, 02:00 PM

Dave,
There was a previous discussion about this Luger sometime ago.
As it turns out. It is a valid collectable rework done by a period gunsmith. Several examples are noted. And I believe Ron Wood. One of the Swiss experts, has an example in his collection.
I thought the same as you, when I first saw it.

Ron

Ponyman · 03-13-2005, 03:02 PM

OK, tell me more! Looks like Mr. PG started with a German-built model '08 - but there appear to be no markings identifying the original maker. Exactly what did PG do, and where is that fine line between "valid smithing" and "boosting"?

Ron Wood · 03-13-2005, 03:28 PM

There isn't much more to tell. There are a few of these things around, none with a maker's mark but all having that odd cross in sunburst marking on the forward toggle link. Mine started life as a 1908 and had a grip safety added. That fine line between "valid smithing" and "boosting" is wherever you want to draw it.

Frank · 03-13-2005, 03:36 PM

Ron, would you consider this a "Reproduction"?

Or is it a legit "Prototype"?

Ron Wood · 03-13-2005, 09:38 PM

Guess I would have to call it a "Reprototype"

, as it started out as a 1908 but was probably modified in the 1920's.

03-13-2005, 11:28 AM	#1
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Another fake, or an aberation? Auction item has no chamber mark, Swiss cross / sunburst on toggle, no grip safety. http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6517393 The identification list in Walter's Luger Story does not verify this variation. __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

03-13-2005, 02:00 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Dave, There was a previous discussion about this Luger sometime ago. As it turns out. It is a valid collectable rework done by a period gunsmith. Several examples are noted. And I believe Ron Wood. One of the Swiss experts, has an example in his collection. I thought the same as you, when I first saw it. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

03-13-2005, 03:02 PM	#3
Ponyman User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlantic County, NJ, USA Posts: 138 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	OK, tell me more! Looks like Mr. PG started with a German-built model '08 - but there appear to be no markings identifying the original maker. Exactly what did PG do, and where is that fine line between "valid smithing" and "boosting"? __________________ "The Constitution is intended for use by a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any other." ~ John Quincy Adams

03-13-2005, 03:28 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	There isn't much more to tell. There are a few of these things around, none with a maker's mark but all having that odd cross in sunburst marking on the forward toggle link. Mine started life as a 1908 and had a grip safety added. That fine line between "valid smithing" and "boosting" is wherever you want to draw it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-13-2005, 09:38 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Guess I would have to call it a "Reprototype" , as it started out as a 1908 but was probably modified in the 1920's. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-13-2005, 03:36 PM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Ron, would you consider this a "Reproduction"? Or is it a legit "Prototype"?