Dutch KNIL Holster

wlyon · 09-10-2005, 09:29 PM

Arrived today. No markings, loops added, but seem to be same age as rest of the holster. Does not appear to have been used. No usage marks inside. Leather is in good condition. Some loose stitching. Has anyone seen a KNIL with loops? Holster is definitely old and has been in storage for a long time. Looking in Martens and deVries, they state that officer's model holsters were unmarked. They also talk on page 196 about them having two sewn on loops, but they have never seen one.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-10-2005, 10:41 PM

Bill, A stunning example of an extremely rare holster! The straps are unusual...I have never seen them but I would imagine they might be original to this piece. It would be very difficult to add them later as they would be tough to sew in place. Thanks for sharing...Jerry Burney

wlyon · 09-11-2005, 11:38 AM

Jerry sent you a PM Bill

the gunman · 09-11-2005, 05:02 PM

Very Very nice holster.Congratulations quite a find. Especally in that condtion.

Pete Ebbink · 09-11-2005, 11:41 PM

Hi Bill,

What a great looking KNIL holster. You are one lucky dude !

Anymore available ? If you are missing a Dutch luger, I would be happy to adopt it until you bring one home...

Would you mind letting us know how much you had to pay...just so we know where the market is going...???

wlyon · 09-11-2005, 11:45 PM

Pete sent you a PM Bill

Pete Ebbink · 09-12-2005, 09:18 AM

(Posted deleted by Pete...9-13-05).

I meant to reply to a PM from Bill via the PM feature but mistakenly replied on the open Forum.

My apologies, Bill...I am such a bonehead when I have worked a long day...

Vlim · 09-12-2005, 01:52 PM

Ohmygod!

Who snapped these up?

wlyon · 09-12-2005, 07:42 PM

The seller does not have anymore of these.They were imported in from some buyer somewhere? The reason I didn"t list where they came from is to avoid people calling the seller.

Navy · 09-12-2005, 09:09 PM

I have a matching mag pouch for the KNIL holster that is FS. It is NOT cheap.

Tom A.

wlyon · 09-12-2005, 11:15 PM

Tom Sent you a PM Bill

SteveM · 11-08-2005, 07:33 AM

On ebay now....

http://cgi.ebay.com/REVOLVER-HOLSTER...QQcmdZViewItem

lugerholsterrepair · 11-08-2005, 12:08 PM

TheKNIL holster from the link above is identical to the three KNIL holsters I examined a month or so ago. This fellow has excellent photo's and if one or more of our Members who have originals care to compare theirs and give some thoughts it would be appreciated.
Ron Wood comes to mind....
Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 11-08-2005, 01:12 PM

Bidding frenzy on another one on e-Bay...

A different e-Bay seller...but also from CA area...

I liked these alot better at $ 45 each...

Search for e-Bay item # 6576791963...

Ron Wood · 11-08-2005, 04:50 PM

From a construction standpoint, the holster looks right as rain. Other than the unusual long loops, there are minor differences from my holster.

The riveted belt loop is quite a bit taller top to bottom than mine with the top of the loop nearly at the top of the holsterÃ¢?Â¦looks to be about an inch taller than mine and would accommodate a much wider belt. It is of the second type used with the Ã¢??Sam BrowneÃ¢?Â belt. (The first type had a long belt loop that extended above the holster.)

The next two differences probably are just the result of the workmanship of different sattlers. The cleaning rod cover Ã¢??flapÃ¢?Â is sewn directly to the holster body rather than to the reinforcing strip along the top edge of the holster body. The closing strap on the front of the Ã¢??lidÃ¢?Â is also a bit longer than mine and sewn nearer the top of the holster.

There is no factory code visible in the photos. DoesnÃ¢??t mean there isnÃ¢??t one, just canÃ¢??t see one.

As has been pointed out, Martens & de Vries mention an OfficerÃ¢??s Model M-11 holster with two sewn on belt loops, but they had no examples to photograph. The loops on the holster on eBay and the other two examples recently posted seem a lot longer than necessary to accommodate a wide officerÃ¢??s belt, but maybe they are intended to give a Ã¢??drop loop buscaderoÃ¢?Â effect! Also it seems odd that the holster would have both the wide riveted loop for the Sam Browne belt and the long sewn loops. Another odd thing is that the rear loop is at quite an angle, which would seem to accommodate attachment to a shoulder harness rig rather than hanging straight down from a belt. Perhaps a variation on the Sam Browne rig but without the belt??

The holster is most likely legitimate, but it would be nice to identify its origin and use.

lugerholsterrepair · 11-08-2005, 06:10 PM

Ron, Thanks for your perceptive analysis.

Did you notice the small nail in the bottom edge of the cleaning rod top flap? Does yours have this? The others I inspected did in one or more places along this bottom edge.
Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 11-08-2005, 07:05 PM

Jerry,
Nope, doesn't have any nails.

Pete Ebbink · 11-16-2005, 05:04 PM

Final e-Bay price for # 6576791963 went at $ 1,050.00. Wonder if this guy knows three Luger Forum members got some for $ 45.00 each...?

the gunman · 11-16-2005, 07:57 PM

' My god where is our hobby going" Who in God's name is paying these prices.

Edward Tinker · 11-16-2005, 10:29 PM

not me Richie!

09-10-2005, 09:29 PM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Dutch KNIL Holster Arrived today. No markings, loops added, but seem to be same age as rest of the holster. Does not appear to have been used. No usage marks inside. Leather is in good condition. Some loose stitching. Has anyone seen a KNIL with loops? Holster is definitely old and has been in storage for a long time. Looking in Martens and deVries, they state that officer's model holsters were unmarked. They also talk on page 196 about them having two sewn on loops, but they have never seen one. __________________ Bill Lyon

09-10-2005, 10:41 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Bill, A stunning example of an extremely rare holster! The straps are unusual...I have never seen them but I would imagine they might be original to this piece. It would be very difficult to add them later as they would be tough to sew in place. Thanks for sharing...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-11-2005, 11:38 AM	#3
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Jerry sent you a PM Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-11-2005, 11:45 PM	#6
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Pete sent you a PM Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-12-2005, 07:42 PM	#9
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	The seller does not have anymore of these.They were imported in from some buyer somewhere? The reason I didn"t list where they came from is to avoid people calling the seller. __________________ Bill Lyon

09-11-2005, 05:02 PM	#4
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Very Very nice holster.Congratulations quite a find. Especally in that condtion.

09-11-2005, 11:41 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Bill, What a great looking KNIL holster. You are one lucky dude ! Anymore available ? If you are missing a Dutch luger, I would be happy to adopt it until you bring one home... Would you mind letting us know how much you had to pay...just so we know where the market is going...???

09-12-2005, 09:18 AM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	(Posted deleted by Pete...9-13-05). I meant to reply to a PM from Bill via the PM feature but mistakenly replied on the open Forum. My apologies, Bill...I am such a bonehead when I have worked a long day...

09-12-2005, 01:52 PM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ohmygod! Who snapped these up?

09-12-2005, 09:09 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I have a matching mag pouch for the KNIL holster that is FS. It is NOT cheap. Tom A.

09-12-2005, 11:15 PM	#11
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Tom Sent you a PM Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

11-08-2005, 07:33 AM	#12
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	On ebay now.... http://cgi.ebay.com/REVOLVER-HOLSTER...QQcmdZViewItem

11-08-2005, 12:08 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	TheKNIL holster from the link above is identical to the three KNIL holsters I examined a month or so ago. This fellow has excellent photo's and if one or more of our Members who have originals care to compare theirs and give some thoughts it would be appreciated. Ron Wood comes to mind.... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-08-2005, 01:12 PM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Bidding frenzy on another one on e-Bay... A different e-Bay seller...but also from CA area... I liked these alot better at $ 45 each... Search for e-Bay item # 6576791963...

11-08-2005, 04:50 PM	#15
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	From a construction standpoint, the holster looks right as rain. Other than the unusual long loops, there are minor differences from my holster. The riveted belt loop is quite a bit taller top to bottom than mine with the top of the loop nearly at the top of the holsterÃ¢?Â¦looks to be about an inch taller than mine and would accommodate a much wider belt. It is of the second type used with the Ã¢??Sam BrowneÃ¢?Â belt. (The first type had a long belt loop that extended above the holster.) The next two differences probably are just the result of the workmanship of different sattlers. The cleaning rod cover Ã¢??flapÃ¢?Â is sewn directly to the holster body rather than to the reinforcing strip along the top edge of the holster body. The closing strap on the front of the Ã¢??lidÃ¢?Â is also a bit longer than mine and sewn nearer the top of the holster. There is no factory code visible in the photos. DoesnÃ¢??t mean there isnÃ¢??t one, just canÃ¢??t see one. As has been pointed out, Martens & de Vries mention an OfficerÃ¢??s Model M-11 holster with two sewn on belt loops, but they had no examples to photograph. The loops on the holster on eBay and the other two examples recently posted seem a lot longer than necessary to accommodate a wide officerÃ¢??s belt, but maybe they are intended to give a Ã¢??drop loop buscaderoÃ¢?Â effect! Also it seems odd that the holster would have both the wide riveted loop for the Sam Browne belt and the long sewn loops. Another odd thing is that the rear loop is at quite an angle, which would seem to accommodate attachment to a shoulder harness rig rather than hanging straight down from a belt. Perhaps a variation on the Sam Browne rig but without the belt?? The holster is most likely legitimate, but it would be nice to identify its origin and use. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-08-2005, 06:10 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ron, Thanks for your perceptive analysis. Did you notice the small nail in the bottom edge of the cleaning rod top flap? Does yours have this? The others I inspected did in one or more places along this bottom edge. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-08-2005, 07:05 PM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Jerry, Nope, doesn't have any nails. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-16-2005, 05:04 PM	#18
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Final e-Bay price for # 6576791963 went at $ 1,050.00. Wonder if this guy knows three Luger Forum members got some for $ 45.00 each...?

11-16-2005, 07:57 PM	#19
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	' My god where is our hobby going" Who in God's name is paying these prices.

11-16-2005, 10:29 PM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	not me Richie! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV