Reality Check - Isle 3

trigger643 · 10-02-2005, 11:30 PM

I got into a debate Saturday at a local shop. I should learn to just shut up. It concerned "import marks" and a certain 1920 Commercial. I contended the "Germany" was an export mark and indicated it had been shipped here at some point before 1968, probably in the early 1920's.

Was I just arguing symantics? I thought I was? Sure, no "import" mark. But, isn't an export mark pretty much the same thing?

Edward Tinker · 10-03-2005, 01:03 AM

Export Mark = shipped FROM germany, required to say what country it was coming from; I believe the requirement was from the 1930's on-ward and a requirment from our gov't (I beleive, but I have heard folks say they were marked to english speaking countries, but maybe I am confusing that with the SAFE marking...

Import mark = coming to America, and shows it was brought into our country after 1968

G.W. Gill · 10-03-2005, 03:30 AM

I believe anything imported into the U.S. after a certain date. Approx. 1895 to 1905, somewhere in there. Had to have the country of export marked. In this day and age we have the peel off lables to contend with. My wife collects the old red to yellow glassware. I tell her it isn't ...

Dwight Gruber · 10-03-2005, 05:13 AM

Acording to Tom Heller in an earlier discussion, the US Customs law requiring marking with the country of origin was established in 1892. In 1923 the law was changed to requiring stamping ov the countryof manufacture, thus GERMANY changed to MADE IN GERMANY at that time.

--Dwight

unspellable · 10-03-2005, 06:41 PM

The import mark added from 1968 onwards is generally considered to detract from the collector's value since it is not original.

(Where did I get the idea the import mark began later than 1968?, say in the 80's?)

Chuckc · 10-10-2005, 09:20 PM

I have seen the "Germany" and "Made in Germany" stamps, but have never seen an import mark. What do these look like and where are they stamped? A picture would be useful. Thanks.

Ron Smith · 10-11-2005, 09:53 AM

Chuck, They are an abbreviated importer name or initials and US address.

Usually stamped on the bottom of the barrel or on the side panel of Lugers and P.38s. Also found on forward ends of barrels on M-1s and M-1 carbines. Some are large, such as BLUE SKY or C.A.I. St. Albens VT. , Vega, etc.

Ron

Strider · 10-11-2005, 03:05 PM

Chuck, here is a picture of the one on my Luger. It is located underneath the barrel.

Sid.

10-02-2005, 11:30 PM	#1
trigger643 User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Murfreesboro Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Reality Check - Isle 3 I got into a debate Saturday at a local shop. I should learn to just shut up. It concerned "import marks" and a certain 1920 Commercial. I contended the "Germany" was an export mark and indicated it had been shipped here at some point before 1968, probably in the early 1920's. Was I just arguing symantics? I thought I was? Sure, no "import" mark. But, isn't an export mark pretty much the same thing? __________________ "There are three reasons to own a gun: To protect yourself and your family, to hunt dangerous and delicious animals, and to keep the King of England out of your face." Ã¢?? Krusty the Clown

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unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	import mark The import mark added from 1968 onwards is generally considered to detract from the collector's value since it is not original. (Where did I get the idea the import mark began later than 1968?, say in the 80's?)

10-10-2005, 09:20 PM	#6
Chuckc User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have seen the "Germany" and "Made in Germany" stamps, but have never seen an import mark. What do these look like and where are they stamped? A picture would be useful. Thanks. __________________ Art in metal and wood

10-11-2005, 09:53 AM	#7
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Chuck, They are an abbreviated importer name or initials and US address. Usually stamped on the bottom of the barrel or on the side panel of Lugers and P.38s. Also found on forward ends of barrels on M-1s and M-1 carbines. Some are large, such as BLUE SKY or C.A.I. St. Albens VT. , Vega, etc. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-11-2005, 03:05 PM	#8
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Chuck, here is a picture of the one on my Luger. It is located underneath the barrel. Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

10-03-2005, 01:03 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,936 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Export Mark = shipped FROM germany, required to say what country it was coming from; I believe the requirement was from the 1930's on-ward and a requirment from our gov't (I beleive, but I have heard folks say they were marked to english speaking countries, but maybe I am confusing that with the SAFE marking... Import mark = coming to America, and shows it was brought into our country after 1968

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G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I believe anything imported into the U.S. after a certain date. Approx. 1895 to 1905, somewhere in there. Had to have the country of export marked. In this day and age we have the peel off lables to contend with. My wife collects the old red to yellow glassware. I tell her it isn't ...

10-03-2005, 05:13 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Acording to Tom Heller in an earlier discussion, the US Customs law requiring marking with the country of origin was established in 1892. In 1923 the law was changed to requiring stamping ov the countryof manufacture, thus GERMANY changed to MADE IN GERMANY at that time. --Dwight