Rare Dress Dagger, Maybe Someone can Help

SparkyRock · 05-08-2006, 12:29 AM

I have not been able to find any information on this knife. My Great uncle brought it back from Europe After WWII. If was given to him by a french Freedom Fighter. As the story goes it is a dress knife worn by Mucelini's(SP) Cabinet members all are numbered and I believe there are 20 or less ever produced. This was given to my great uncle because the French freedom fighter knew if he was capured with it he would for sure be killed because it ment That he had killed on of Mucelini's men.

Like I said This is what I THINK this is. Have never been able to find anyone who knows anything about this, or has ever seen one.

Maybe one of you guys can help me out. Thanx

Edward Tinker · 05-08-2006, 12:40 AM

Hello whomever (no name given

and welcome to the forum) once you are approved, I will move this to the new collector area.

Was a bit surprised to see this here, as it doesn't have a lot of luger interest as your first posting. I know it is WW2 related, but like I said, surprised at your first posting

Ed

SparkyRock · 05-08-2006, 12:50 AM

sorry, The Name IS Jeff. This is a great site, lots of info. I have a byf "42" Black widow that was taken off a german officer from the Same Great Uncle. It's cool to see what the marking actually mean.

Edward Tinker · 05-08-2006, 12:56 AM

I was a bit tounge in cheek, but yes, great to meet you jeff! I collect bring back stories, if interested shoot me an e-mail, I add in your words, about where they got it, then pictures and will eventually publish.

I have never seen a dagger like this. Quality looks good? The italian flag or whatever, is it hokey or well done?

Ed

SparkyRock · 05-08-2006, 01:05 AM

Did I break a rule or something by not posting about my Luger First??

The knife looks to be Genuine and in decent shape but does show it's age. Everything I have has a story behind it, these things were not bought from collectors but passed down over the years. The 42 that I have is in Excellent condition and everything matches. Along with the original Holster, ectra clip and speed loader tool. There was a belt and Swastica Belt buckle with it but that has since dissapeared. I'm still trying to locate that

Lyn Islaub · 05-08-2006, 10:58 AM

Not too sure about the dagger, but would guess that it is an enlisted or NCO sidearm. The emblem is the Italian Fascist Party emblem dating from 1921-1945. Several different versions of this emblem were used and this is one of the earlier ones. It is not a dress dagger, as they were much more ornate.
Lyn

Doug G. · 07-04-2006, 03:17 PM

Your dagger is a standard MVSN fighting knife that was issued to officers. From what info I had collected on mine was that wood (brown) colored grips were enlisted, black was officers and white was general officers. I sold mine sans the Fascist logo on the scabbard a few years back for $400-$500 to a collector in Italy. I can suggest that you post these pics COMMANDO SUPREMO it is an Italian militaria collectors site.

05-08-2006, 12:29 AM	#1
SparkyRock User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Rare Dress Dagger, Maybe Someone can Help I have not been able to find any information on this knife. My Great uncle brought it back from Europe After WWII. If was given to him by a french Freedom Fighter. As the story goes it is a dress knife worn by Mucelini's(SP) Cabinet members all are numbered and I believe there are 20 or less ever produced. This was given to my great uncle because the French freedom fighter knew if he was capured with it he would for sure be killed because it ment That he had killed on of Mucelini's men. Like I said This is what I THINK this is. Have never been able to find anyone who knows anything about this, or has ever seen one. Maybe one of you guys can help me out. Thanx

07-04-2006, 03:17 PM	#7
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Your dagger is a standard MVSN fighting knife that was issued to officers. From what info I had collected on mine was that wood (brown) colored grips were enlisted, black was officers and white was general officers. I sold mine sans the Fascist logo on the scabbard a few years back for $400-$500 to a collector in Italy. I can suggest that you post these pics COMMANDO SUPREMO it is an Italian militaria collectors site. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

05-08-2006, 12:40 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Hello whomever (no name given and welcome to the forum) once you are approved, I will move this to the new collector area. Was a bit surprised to see this here, as it doesn't have a lot of luger interest as your first posting. I know it is WW2 related, but like I said, surprised at your first posting Ed

05-08-2006, 12:50 AM	#3
SparkyRock User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	sorry, The Name IS Jeff. This is a great site, lots of info. I have a byf "42" Black widow that was taken off a german officer from the Same Great Uncle. It's cool to see what the marking actually mean.

05-08-2006, 12:56 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I was a bit tounge in cheek, but yes, great to meet you jeff! I collect bring back stories, if interested shoot me an e-mail, I add in your words, about where they got it, then pictures and will eventually publish. I have never seen a dagger like this. Quality looks good? The italian flag or whatever, is it hokey or well done? Ed

05-08-2006, 01:05 AM	#5
SparkyRock User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Did I break a rule or something by not posting about my Luger First?? The knife looks to be Genuine and in decent shape but does show it's age. Everything I have has a story behind it, these things were not bought from collectors but passed down over the years. The 42 that I have is in Excellent condition and everything matches. Along with the original Holster, ectra clip and speed loader tool. There was a belt and Swastica Belt buckle with it but that has since dissapeared. I'm still trying to locate that

05-08-2006, 10:58 AM	#6
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	Not too sure about the dagger, but would guess that it is an enlisted or NCO sidearm. The emblem is the Italian Fascist Party emblem dating from 1921-1945. Several different versions of this emblem were used and this is one of the earlier ones. It is not a dress dagger, as they were much more ornate. Lyn