straw instructions

policeluger · 07-11-2006, 07:47 PM

I am sending out the last sheet of strawing instruction to "zinfull"....tired of the bs from here and Still's site over it. Sent out over 250 copies world wide and got some nice thank you's back, but the few asses take away the fun.....

Tim · 07-11-2006, 09:54 PM

Howard,
I got a copy from you a year or so ago, just for the interest. I've "strawed" steel in the kitchen oven just to see if it worked. It's not too difficult at all. I was wondering if you'd care to elaborate on the "bs" you've taken over sharing information. It seems to me that the real "boosters" already have this information (witness the numerous pieces offered at auction that approach 100 years of age and still have >90% strawing!). A very prominent collector once told me over the phone that it's easy to straw parts with a blowtorch once you get the hang of it. Information is power. When one sees how simple it is to replicate strawing, it makes those 90% plus pieces look a bit less alluring. Illegitimus non carborundum est!
Tim

ViggoG · 07-12-2006, 12:35 AM

PoliceLuger and Tim,
Just a comment on Tempering Steel to a Straw Color !
For many years prior to WW 2 the process of Strawing Steel was well known by most if not all Machinests and Tool Makers.
It just so happens that this is the best Drawing Temper to provide a quality tool from Carbon Steel and also the best tempering color for spring steel of most types.
Very useful to be able to make flat and coil springs of all types used in the Luger Pistol.
ViggoG

zinfull · 07-12-2006, 12:40 PM

I hate to be the end of a good thing but thank you for the info. I did the process a couple (or more) of times and as long as I keep improving I am happy. New grips that fit and a little Straw makes my shooter that much nicer, but still a shooter.

Thank you
Jerry

John Sabato · 07-12-2006, 03:17 PM

Howard (policeluger)... I would very much like to know what kind of BS you have received from members of this forum (I don't spend very much time of at Jan Still's forum just because I don't have the available time) over distribution of information on strawing which is pretty much in the public domain??? please contact me via PM or my private email...

You have provided a valuable service to over 250 folks worldwide... don't let a few jerks diminish that in any way...

lugerholsterrepair · 07-12-2006, 05:14 PM

Howard, Geeze...Ya give away free information and somebody is unhappy about this?
No good deed goes unpunished.
I have to agree with ViggoG, this is common information available to anyone with even less than basic research skills.
If you have sinned it was to make it too easy.
Don't let the whiners smoke you out. Let John post it on a sticky. If he has time! Thanks John....Jerry
Burney

John D. · 07-12-2006, 10:35 PM

Hi Howard...

I keep reading your post and this saying just keeps jumping to mind.. No good deed ever goes unpunished..." (EDIT - DAMN, I just read Jerry's note before mine - and it seems we are related somehow.. That is the same saying that he posted as well...!!!

)

After running this website for many years - there are a few who will always complain, but you know what? Those that appreciate the work of others are always there.. I know they are for me and this site. I'll bet the same is true of your kindness in providing your assistance with strawing...

Just my $0.000000002

Maybe worth less - but, there it is...

John D.
(Edit - Thanks Jerry! I will "stick this thread"!! )

John Sabato · 07-13-2006, 12:00 AM

Coming soon to a "sticky" thread at the top of the Repairs and Restorations forum... a strawing process in the public domain... for all to see and use as they wish without the opportunity to punish a good deed. Keep your browsers tuned to this station!

Art · 07-13-2006, 01:30 PM

I can relate to policelugers complaint about lack of courtesy among Luger guys. A month ago, through this forum, a fella contacted me in regard to some repro Luger carbine parts. I volunteered to send him 3 parts on approval and included the loan of an installation fixture that I made years ago. USPS delivery confirmation indicated that the stuff was delivered 2 days later. 5 days after delivery to the guy I had heard nothing from him. He answered a short email from me with a short note confirming that he had the package for a few days but too busy to open it! Amost a month now and still no contact from him. He said he is busy---but I note that he has had time to make several complaint posts on the forum!!! I wonder if , as a kid, he waited a month after Xmas to open his presents?? Maybe I am getting old and cranky-------is courtesy a lost art???

A.Mifsin · 08-14-2006, 07:16 AM

I am one of those that policeluger had send the instruction to, he even answered a couple of questions after he send me the instructions and I thanked him for all the trouble. I wish to thank him again because he made one of my Lugers looks more presentable. Thank You Howard...Keep up the good work..

John Sabato · 08-14-2006, 09:25 AM

Just an update... I will shortly be posting strawing instructions as a "sticky" in the Repairs and restoration forum... for all to use as they wish...

Pete Ebbink · 12-30-2006, 03:36 PM

Hi John,

Did the "sticky" every get posted up ?

Zamo · 12-12-2007, 05:41 PM

Well, it's a year later, and I can't seem to find the Sticky in the aforementioned forum, so I'm guessing not.
How about it John? Did this ever get posted, perhaps in a forum other than the Repairs & Restorations?
This is a process I am keen to try on my ratty shooter.

Edward Tinker · 12-13-2007, 01:21 AM

I never received it or I'd have added it and made it a sticky...

added info to new area, and it is now a sticky at the top of this same area / thread

07-11-2006, 07:47 PM	#1
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	straw instructions I am sending out the last sheet of strawing instruction to "zinfull"....tired of the bs from here and Still's site over it. Sent out over 250 copies world wide and got some nice thank you's back, but the few asses take away the fun.....

07-11-2006, 09:54 PM	#2
Tim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Great North Woods of Wisconsin Posts: 100 Thanks: 7 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Howard, I got a copy from you a year or so ago, just for the interest. I've "strawed" steel in the kitchen oven just to see if it worked. It's not too difficult at all. I was wondering if you'd care to elaborate on the "bs" you've taken over sharing information. It seems to me that the real "boosters" already have this information (witness the numerous pieces offered at auction that approach 100 years of age and still have >90% strawing!). A very prominent collector once told me over the phone that it's easy to straw parts with a blowtorch once you get the hang of it. Information is power. When one sees how simple it is to replicate strawing, it makes those 90% plus pieces look a bit less alluring. Illegitimus non carborundum est! Tim __________________ The intent of the second amendment was not to allow the private ownership of firearms. If it had been it would have said something like "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"...

07-12-2006, 03:17 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Howard (policeluger)... I would very much like to know what kind of BS you have received from members of this forum (I don't spend very much time of at Jan Still's forum just because I don't have the available time) over distribution of information on strawing which is pretty much in the public domain??? please contact me via PM or my private email... You have provided a valuable service to over 250 folks worldwide... don't let a few jerks diminish that in any way... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-12-2006, 05:14 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Howard, Geeze...Ya give away free information and somebody is unhappy about this? No good deed goes unpunished. I have to agree with ViggoG, this is common information available to anyone with even less than basic research skills. If you have sinned it was to make it too easy. Don't let the whiners smoke you out. Let John post it on a sticky. If he has time! Thanks John....Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-13-2006, 12:00 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Coming soon to a "sticky" thread at the top of the Repairs and Restorations forum... a strawing process in the public domain... for all to see and use as they wish without the opportunity to punish a good deed. Keep your browsers tuned to this station! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-12-2006, 12:35 AM	#3
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	PoliceLuger and Tim, Just a comment on Tempering Steel to a Straw Color ! For many years prior to WW 2 the process of Strawing Steel was well known by most if not all Machinests and Tool Makers. It just so happens that this is the best Drawing Temper to provide a quality tool from Carbon Steel and also the best tempering color for spring steel of most types. Very useful to be able to make flat and coil springs of all types used in the Luger Pistol. ViggoG

07-12-2006, 12:40 PM	#4
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 243 Thanks: 5 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	I hate to be the end of a good thing but thank you for the info. I did the process a couple (or more) of times and as long as I keep improving I am happy. New grips that fit and a little Straw makes my shooter that much nicer, but still a shooter. Thank you Jerry

07-12-2006, 10:35 PM	#7
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Howard... I keep reading your post and this saying just keeps jumping to mind.. No good deed ever goes unpunished..." (EDIT - DAMN, I just read Jerry's note before mine - and it seems we are related somehow.. That is the same saying that he posted as well...!!! ) After running this website for many years - there are a few who will always complain, but you know what? Those that appreciate the work of others are always there.. I know they are for me and this site. I'll bet the same is true of your kindness in providing your assistance with strawing... Just my $0.000000002 Maybe worth less - but, there it is... John D. (Edit - Thanks Jerry! I will "stick this thread"!! )

07-13-2006, 01:30 PM	#9
Art User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: missouri Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I can relate to policelugers complaint about lack of courtesy among Luger guys. A month ago, through this forum, a fella contacted me in regard to some repro Luger carbine parts. I volunteered to send him 3 parts on approval and included the loan of an installation fixture that I made years ago. USPS delivery confirmation indicated that the stuff was delivered 2 days later. 5 days after delivery to the guy I had heard nothing from him. He answered a short email from me with a short note confirming that he had the package for a few days but too busy to open it! Amost a month now and still no contact from him. He said he is busy---but I note that he has had time to make several complaint posts on the forum!!! I wonder if , as a kid, he waited a month after Xmas to open his presents?? Maybe I am getting old and cranky-------is courtesy a lost art???

08-14-2006, 07:16 AM	#10
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	I am one of those that policeluger had send the instruction to, he even answered a couple of questions after he send me the instructions and I thanked him for all the trouble. I wish to thank him again because he made one of my Lugers looks more presentable. Thank You Howard...Keep up the good work.. __________________ I prefer a Luger

08-14-2006, 09:25 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Just an update... I will shortly be posting strawing instructions as a "sticky" in the Repairs and restoration forum... for all to use as they wish... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-30-2006, 03:36 PM	#12
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi John, Did the "sticky" every get posted up ?

12-12-2007, 05:41 PM	#13
Zamo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 142 Thanks: 4 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Well, it's a year later, and I can't seem to find the Sticky in the aforementioned forum, so I'm guessing not. How about it John? Did this ever get posted, perhaps in a forum other than the Repairs & Restorations? This is a process I am keen to try on my ratty shooter.

12-13-2007, 01:21 AM	#14
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I never received it or I'd have added it and made it a sticky... added info to new area, and it is now a sticky at the top of this same area / thread __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV