G-Date: How did I do?

Gewehr 43 · 10-04-2006, 07:24 AM

Hello, Gents. Wondering if I could get your opinion on this Luger. It is an f-block G-date and appears to be all matching. I didn't get a good picture of it, but the safety lever is numbered to match as well. Finish appears to be original and correct rust bluing. The internal surfaces are in the white and show no evidence of dip bluing. Straw is mostly gone on high-use areas of the trigger, but some other parts have a decent amount of straw left.

The crack visible on the inside of one of the grips does not extend thru to the exterior side of the grip. Bore is excellent, no pitting, great rifling. I am mostly a rifle collector and this is my first Luger, so please let me know - honestly - if this is a legit piece. I might've overpaid a little bit for it, but so long as it is legitimate, I don't mind.

The pistol has a lot of finger prints and such on it in the photos, but I took them before I took it apart and oiled it. Don't worry, she's well cared-for here.

Click on the thumbnail for much larger pictures.

Gewehr 43 · 10-04-2006, 07:24 AM

NavyLugerLover · 10-04-2006, 07:36 AM

If it is "in the white" into receiver and frame, it seems to be in original condition.
I'm in the way to have a "G" date, too.

Frank · 10-04-2006, 09:58 AM

Chuck, it looks like a righteous G-Date to me. I'm a little surprised the grips are numbered. Most late G-Dates were shipped with unnumbered grips.

I would certainly add it to my little group of G-Dates!!

Hugh · 10-04-2006, 01:18 PM

Chuck,

I recommend that you drop a little super glue into the crack in the grip to prevent it from developing any further.

Gewehr 43 · 10-04-2006, 02:42 PM

Thanks for your input, Gentlemen.

Frank, I too was surprised to see that the grips were numbered to the gun, as I'd read an earlier thread here stating that later g-dates didn't usually have them. I suppose the odds are pretty small that someone found matching-numbered grips and placed them on this gun. Also, I see no evidence of tampering like sanding off old numbers or whatnot. It also appears that the font on the grips matches the rest of the fonts pretty well, which leads me to believe it is also not faked.

Should there be any proofs or any other markings on the grips that might help determine if their originality? I'm just brainstorming and sort of thinking aloud on this one.

Navy, the interior surfaces of the receiver and frame are still in the white with no evidence of ever having been blued. Likewise, there is no evidence of bluing being removed on the interior surfaces either.

Hugh, I will take your recommendation, though I might use Gorilla glue. I've worked subtle miracles on one of my K43's with that stuff before.

Again, I appreciate any and all input you folks have on this pistol. I'd like to learn as much about it as I can.

Stoopid newbie question: G-dates were produced in 1936, right?

Frank · 10-04-2006, 03:49 PM

Stoopid newbie question: G-dates were produced in 1936, right?

Wrong!! Stooped: G-Dates were produced in 1935!!!!!

Gewehr 43 · 10-04-2006, 03:56 PM

I knew it was one or the other. What's a K-date then? '34?

lew1 · 10-04-2006, 04:06 PM

K = 1934
G = 1935

Gewehr 43 · 10-12-2006, 02:55 PM

Well, I'm happy to report that this Luger functioned perfectly at the range. I put two mags of winchester white box thru it just to say that I did and she didn't hiccup.

Now all I've gotta do is get some +p+ JHP's, nickle plate it, and find an IWB carry holster for it. :-P

On a more serious note, I'm curious what a piece like this should be worth. I'm wondering if what I paid is remotely in line or if I got fleeced.

lew1 · 10-12-2006, 05:31 PM

Since I am all heart, I will give you $100 for it.

Remember the Straw is mostly gone on high-use areas of the trigger, it has a crack in one of the grips and fingerprints all over it.

Tomathvl · 10-12-2006, 08:40 PM

Chuck,
Here's a few Simpson's is selling.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...sort=2a&page=2

Gewehr 43 · 10-12-2006, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lew1
Remember the Straw is mostly gone on high-use areas of the trigger, it has a crack in one of the grips and fingerprints all over it.

HAD fingerprints all over it, thankyouverymuch. I have cleaned it since the photos.

Thanks for the link, Tom. Given Simpsons' prices on their German long guns, I'm not sure how good of a real-life measuring stick they are.

Sometimes I think their prices are pure fantasy.

lew1 · 10-13-2006, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tomathvl
Chuck,
Here's a few Simpson's is selling.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...sort=2a&page=2

The price Simpson is asking for one with a matching magazine seems high but Simpson always seems high.

I already have four "G" dates, none with a matching magazine though. I still need a couple, but those listed by Simpson do not fill the void.

A.Mifsin · 10-15-2006, 03:45 PM

Sure Simpson is high on prices, the last G dated Luger with matching mag, I bought last year was 1300 euros and I bought it from Kassel Fair Germany.

10-04-2006, 07:24 AM	#1
Gewehr 43 User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	G-Date: How did I do? Hello, Gents. Wondering if I could get your opinion on this Luger. It is an f-block G-date and appears to be all matching. I didn't get a good picture of it, but the safety lever is numbered to match as well. Finish appears to be original and correct rust bluing. The internal surfaces are in the white and show no evidence of dip bluing. Straw is mostly gone on high-use areas of the trigger, but some other parts have a decent amount of straw left. The crack visible on the inside of one of the grips does not extend thru to the exterior side of the grip. Bore is excellent, no pitting, great rifling. I am mostly a rifle collector and this is my first Luger, so please let me know - honestly - if this is a legit piece. I might've overpaid a little bit for it, but so long as it is legitimate, I don't mind. The pistol has a lot of finger prints and such on it in the photos, but I took them before I took it apart and oiled it. Don't worry, she's well cared-for here. Click on the thumbnail for much larger pictures.

10-04-2006, 07:36 AM	#3
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	If it is "in the white" into receiver and frame, it seems to be in original condition. I'm in the way to have a "G" date, too. __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-04-2006, 01:18 PM	#5
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Chuck, I recommend that you drop a little super glue into the crack in the grip to prevent it from developing any further. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-04-2006, 04:06 PM	#9
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	K = 1934 G = 1935 __________________ charlie

10-15-2006, 03:45 PM	#15
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	Sure Simpson is high on prices, the last G dated Luger with matching mag, I bought last year was 1300 euros and I bought it from Kassel Fair Germany. __________________ I prefer a Luger

10-04-2006, 09:58 AM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Chuck, it looks like a righteous G-Date to me. I'm a little surprised the grips are numbered. Most late G-Dates were shipped with unnumbered grips. I would certainly add it to my little group of G-Dates!!

10-04-2006, 02:42 PM	#6
Gewehr 43 User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for your input, Gentlemen. Frank, I too was surprised to see that the grips were numbered to the gun, as I'd read an earlier thread here stating that later g-dates didn't usually have them. I suppose the odds are pretty small that someone found matching-numbered grips and placed them on this gun. Also, I see no evidence of tampering like sanding off old numbers or whatnot. It also appears that the font on the grips matches the rest of the fonts pretty well, which leads me to believe it is also not faked. Should there be any proofs or any other markings on the grips that might help determine if their originality? I'm just brainstorming and sort of thinking aloud on this one. Navy, the interior surfaces of the receiver and frame are still in the white with no evidence of ever having been blued. Likewise, there is no evidence of bluing being removed on the interior surfaces either. Hugh, I will take your recommendation, though I might use Gorilla glue. I've worked subtle miracles on one of my K43's with that stuff before. Again, I appreciate any and all input you folks have on this pistol. I'd like to learn as much about it as I can. Stoopid newbie question: G-dates were produced in 1936, right?

10-04-2006, 03:49 PM	#7
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Stoopid newbie question: G-dates were produced in 1936, right? Wrong!! Stooped: G-Dates were produced in 1935!!!!!

10-04-2006, 03:56 PM	#8
Gewehr 43 User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I knew it was one or the other. What's a K-date then? '34?

10-12-2006, 02:55 PM	#10
Gewehr 43 User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, I'm happy to report that this Luger functioned perfectly at the range. I put two mags of winchester white box thru it just to say that I did and she didn't hiccup. Now all I've gotta do is get some +p+ JHP's, nickle plate it, and find an IWB carry holster for it. :-P On a more serious note, I'm curious what a piece like this should be worth. I'm wondering if what I paid is remotely in line or if I got fleeced.

10-12-2006, 05:31 PM	#11
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Since I am all heart, I will give you $100 for it. Remember the Straw is mostly gone on high-use areas of the trigger, it has a crack in one of the grips and fingerprints all over it.

10-12-2006, 08:40 PM	#12
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Chuck, Here's a few Simpson's is selling. http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?...sort=2a&page=2