Navy AE ?

MFC · 12-30-2006, 02:16 AM

I recently saw a comm. artillery that was said to be an American Eagle, but didn't show a photo of the chamber. Were these ever made (by DWM) and if so is there a Navy AE? If I ever saw one I'd drool all over it.
Mike C.

drbuster · 12-30-2006, 11:00 AM

Mike, from time to time artillery lugers surface with AE's stamped on the chamber, some stamped with A.F. Stoeger on the right side of the frame. These were post WW1 items, some reworked, for the commercial market by a money needy post war Weimar Republic. I have also heard of Luger carbines, usually 1902 models, with the AE crest (also Swiss Cross). I wouldn't be surprised to see the AE on a 1920 carbine. I have never (to date) heard of or have seen a Navy luger with an AE crest. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Keep your eyes open!

Ron Smith · 12-30-2006, 11:11 AM

Possibly a 70's Mauser Artillery. They produced a few Artillerys. However, I'm not sure if they had the AE on the chamber.

var99 · 12-30-2006, 07:16 PM

HI Ron

Allan's book on "70's" Lugers, shows AE versions in 4, 4/3/4, and 6" barrels, (page 29), but without 100/200m sights. The Navy commerative with 100/200m sight did not have the AE stamping.

Vince

MFC · 12-31-2006, 01:23 AM

Thanks guys
There are comm. artilleries that were made by DWM. There's a 1920 comm. for sale now on Gunbroker with a comm. stock. Not an AE though. I don't know if these are reworked are not but if they were, the milatary style stamps would all have to be removed. I just have never seen an AE artillery or a AE Navy.
I'll keep looking.
Mike C.

Dwight Gruber · 12-31-2006, 04:40 AM

Navy Commercial Lugers made by DWM were not made for the Navy contract, and so were never inspected or proofed by the Imperial Navy. They are found with the appropriate commercial proofs of the period (c/B,U,G or lazy c/N).

--Dwight

Navy · 12-31-2006, 12:27 PM

My AE LP-08 sn 497 i, nicely cased with stock and all accessories by A. Steinfield Co. of Tuscon is C/N proofed and has matching unnumbered stock and "germany" markings on left rail, stock, magazines and holster.

I have NEVER seen or heard of an AE Navy and would be very careful were I to come across one.

Tom A

MFC · 12-31-2006, 06:44 PM

Thanks all,
That's what I thought. They were made for comm. sale and not reworks of military Lugers. That's not to say that they didn't do reworks on other styles though.
Tom, would you please post pictures of your cased set. Sounds like something a lot of members would love to see and of course own.
Mike C.

mauro · 01-01-2007, 02:27 PM

Ron,
The 1986 LP08 Mauser Commemoratives do not have the AE on the chamber.
Cheers,
Mauro

Pete Ebbink · 01-02-2007, 09:11 PM

Hey Tom,

With over 6 Swiss Navy lugers appearing in the USA over the last 4 years (from the same seller...BTW...)...why not an AE Navy ???

MFC · 01-02-2007, 11:58 PM

Pete,
I like your thinking! If theres one out there I want it real bad. Problem is, so does everybody else. So unless I come across it myself at a yard sale, I wont be able to afford it. I like dreaming about it though.
Mike C.

MFC · 09-22-2008, 01:55 AM

Well it took me almost 2 years, but I found one!! Julia auctions, lot #1043, from the Doug Smith collection. It's a 3 line Stoeger Navy AE w/stock. drool drool drool.
http://juliaauctions.net/auctions/25....asp?pageREQ=1
Mike C.

John Sabato · 09-22-2008, 08:44 AM

Congrats Mike... Good luck on wining the auction... Lots of really nice guns at that link!

MFC · 09-23-2008, 01:33 AM

John,
I wish I could bid on it, but I''ll have to keep dreaming about owning one for now. Unless all you guys were wondering what to get me for my second anniversary as a Luger forum member.

Mike C.

12-30-2006, 11:11 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Possibly a 70's Mauser Artillery. They produced a few Artillerys. However, I'm not sure if they had the AE on the chamber. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

12-31-2006, 01:23 AM	#5
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Thanks guys There are comm. artilleries that were made by DWM. There's a 1920 comm. for sale now on Gunbroker with a comm. stock. Not an AE though. I don't know if these are reworked are not but if they were, the milatary style stamps would all have to be removed. I just have never seen an AE artillery or a AE Navy. I'll keep looking. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

12-31-2006, 06:44 PM	#8
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Thanks all, That's what I thought. They were made for comm. sale and not reworks of military Lugers. That's not to say that they didn't do reworks on other styles though. Tom, would you please post pictures of your cased set. Sounds like something a lot of members would love to see and of course own. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

01-01-2007, 02:27 PM	#9
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Ron, The 1986 LP08 Mauser Commemoratives do not have the AE on the chamber. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

01-02-2007, 11:58 PM	#11
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Pete, I like your thinking! If theres one out there I want it real bad. Problem is, so does everybody else. So unless I come across it myself at a yard sale, I wont be able to afford it. I like dreaming about it though. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

12-30-2006, 02:16 AM	#1
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Navy AE ? I recently saw a comm. artillery that was said to be an American Eagle, but didn't show a photo of the chamber. Were these ever made (by DWM) and if so is there a Navy AE? If I ever saw one I'd drool all over it. Mike C.

12-30-2006, 11:00 AM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Mike, from time to time artillery lugers surface with AE's stamped on the chamber, some stamped with A.F. Stoeger on the right side of the frame. These were post WW1 items, some reworked, for the commercial market by a money needy post war Weimar Republic. I have also heard of Luger carbines, usually 1902 models, with the AE crest (also Swiss Cross). I wouldn't be surprised to see the AE on a 1920 carbine. I have never (to date) heard of or have seen a Navy luger with an AE crest. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Keep your eyes open!

12-30-2006, 07:16 PM	#4
var99 User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: FL Posts: 114 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	HI Ron Allan's book on "70's" Lugers, shows AE versions in 4, 4/3/4, and 6" barrels, (page 29), but without 100/200m sights. The Navy commerative with 100/200m sight did not have the AE stamping. Vince

12-31-2006, 04:40 AM	#6
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Navy Commercial Lugers made by DWM were not made for the Navy contract, and so were never inspected or proofed by the Imperial Navy. They are found with the appropriate commercial proofs of the period (c/B,U,G or lazy c/N). --Dwight

12-31-2006, 12:27 PM	#7
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	My AE LP-08 sn 497 i, nicely cased with stock and all accessories by A. Steinfield Co. of Tuscon is C/N proofed and has matching unnumbered stock and "germany" markings on left rail, stock, magazines and holster. I have NEVER seen or heard of an AE Navy and would be very careful were I to come across one. Tom A

01-02-2007, 09:11 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hey Tom, With over 6 Swiss Navy lugers appearing in the USA over the last 4 years (from the same seller...BTW...)...why not an AE Navy ???

09-22-2008, 01:55 AM	#12
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Well it took me almost 2 years, but I found one!! Julia auctions, lot #1043, from the Doug Smith collection. It's a 3 line Stoeger Navy AE w/stock. drool drool drool. http://juliaauctions.net/auctions/25....asp?pageREQ=1 Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

09-22-2008, 08:44 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Congrats Mike... Good luck on wining the auction... Lots of really nice guns at that link! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-23-2008, 01:33 AM	#14
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	John, I wish I could bid on it, but I''ll have to keep dreaming about owning one for now. Unless all you guys were wondering what to get me for my second anniversary as a Luger forum member. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.