Abercrombie & Fitch DWM

JMV375 · 06-28-2007, 08:46 AM

Gentlemen,

What is the serial number range of the A&F Lugers from the 1920's ?
What are the production #'s as to calibers and barrel lengths?

These are DWM Lugers made for the Swiss and brought into the US by A&F...? Were the barrels swapped out by A&F and replaced with a new barrel with their inscription...?

Does a serial # of 52xx i sound correct...?

Any info will be greatly appreciated...!!!

JMV375

Dwight Gruber · 06-28-2007, 12:27 PM

Joe,

According to Bobba these guns are found within the range of 2000i to 3500i. They are long-frame, grip-safety style guns. The guns were rebarrelled by the HÃ?Â¤mmerli firm in Switzerland with 4 3/4-inch, .30 barrels and roll-stamped with the "Abercrombie & Fitch" barrel legend. They were then imported by A&F. Conventional wisdom has it that this was all intnded as a deception to get around the Stoeger import monopoly of the Luger pistol.

There are questionable variations of the A&F marked pistols having to do with barrel length, caliber, barrel legend, and serial number.

There is a discussion of an unusual A&F pistol going on right now on Jan Still's Luger forum, http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12117

--Dwight

MFC · 06-28-2007, 04:02 PM

http://www.auctionarms.com/Search/Di...temNum=8058033
If your wondering about this one, it is totally BOGUS.
Mike C.

drbuster · 06-28-2007, 09:32 PM

Mike, could you share your expertise with the Forum members and explain why you are so positive it is bogus?

MFC · 06-28-2007, 10:18 PM

The Abercrombie and Fitch on the barrel is pantographed.
The front of the frame, where the S#'s are, has been ground down by evidence of the receiver not lining up even with the frame as it should.
The most misaligned S#'s on the front of the frame I have ever seen. Original S#'s were stamped using a jig to align them.

I'm not an expert, just my opinion, based on things I've learned on this forum.
Mike C.

Pete Ebbink · 09-25-2007, 11:43 AM

I think the barrel SN on the underside is supposed to run with the axis of the barrel, as well...

...Not to mention a grip safety on the A&F guns...

06-28-2007, 08:46 AM	#1
JMV375 User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Macomb, MI Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Abercrombie & Fitch DWM Gentlemen, What is the serial number range of the A&F Lugers from the 1920's ? What are the production #'s as to calibers and barrel lengths? These are DWM Lugers made for the Swiss and brought into the US by A&F...? Were the barrels swapped out by A&F and replaced with a new barrel with their inscription...? Does a serial # of 52xx i sound correct...? Any info will be greatly appreciated...!!! JMV375

06-28-2007, 04:02 PM	#3
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	http://www.auctionarms.com/Search/Di...temNum=8058033 If your wondering about this one, it is totally BOGUS. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

06-28-2007, 10:18 PM	#5
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	The Abercrombie and Fitch on the barrel is pantographed. The front of the frame, where the S#'s are, has been ground down by evidence of the receiver not lining up even with the frame as it should. The most misaligned S#'s on the front of the frame I have ever seen. Original S#'s were stamped using a jig to align them. I'm not an expert, just my opinion, based on things I've learned on this forum. Mike C. __________________ Mike C.

06-28-2007, 12:27 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Joe, According to Bobba these guns are found within the range of 2000i to 3500i. They are long-frame, grip-safety style guns. The guns were rebarrelled by the HÃ?Â¤mmerli firm in Switzerland with 4 3/4-inch, .30 barrels and roll-stamped with the "Abercrombie & Fitch" barrel legend. They were then imported by A&F. Conventional wisdom has it that this was all intnded as a deception to get around the Stoeger import monopoly of the Luger pistol. There are questionable variations of the A&F marked pistols having to do with barrel length, caliber, barrel legend, and serial number. There is a discussion of an unusual A&F pistol going on right now on Jan Still's Luger forum, http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12117 --Dwight

06-28-2007, 09:32 PM	#4
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Mike, could you share your expertise with the Forum members and explain why you are so positive it is bogus?

09-25-2007, 11:43 AM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I think the barrel SN on the underside is supposed to run with the axis of the barrel, as well... ...Not to mention a grip safety on the A&F guns...