artillery rig on ebay

nnoonan · 08-26-2007, 04:31 PM

i have listed a very nice artillery luger holster ,stock ,striping tool and very rare early cleaning rod with the brass end on ebay please take a look
ebay# 220144013149

laoshi75 · 08-26-2007, 05:03 PM

the "attaching strap" on the stock is strange...

lugerholsterrepair · 08-26-2007, 05:34 PM

Christian, Which strap? Toe strap? Boot strap? Stock closure strap? They all look good to me from what I can see.

Nick, I take it the stock boot is missing? You show no photo's of the loading tool or the cleaning rod on Ebay....Nor do you make mention of them in your auction? Listed seperately?

Found the rod, tool?

Jerry Burney

nnoonan · 08-26-2007, 05:51 PM

hello jerry
the boot is missing
the stock/holster strap is different to the norm being straight but it matches the rest of the leather work and looks factory made could it be an early variation?
i will add a photo to the auction

nnoonan · 08-26-2007, 06:07 PM

i have added photos of the strap to the auction page but here are the photos
oppinions?

nnoonan · 08-26-2007, 06:07 PM

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lugerholsterrepair · 08-26-2007, 06:24 PM

Nick, It is certainly old..I have never seen such a variation on a Military stock/Holster rig. The brass washers and screws look right...

Christian, You have a very sharp eye my French Friend!

Jerry Burney

nnoonan · 08-26-2007, 06:31 PM

the washers and screws are the same as those used on my other rigs
i think its original to the rig??

laoshi75 · 08-26-2007, 07:11 PM

thank you Jerry !...

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lugerholsterrepair · 08-26-2007, 07:31 PM

Nick, I can say the washers look to be original but I have strong reservations about the stock strap itself. Even the very early ones I have observed have a totally different shape. The shape has never changed to the best of my knowledge. The normal original shape was for a reason, to accomodate the passage of the carry strap thru the stock it is thinner and expands to allow the closure strap to be threaded thru a keeper before it is affixed to the stud.
The only difference I have observed is not in the shape but in how the keeper strap is affixed. On very early straps, stock, toe and boot, they stitched them. Later they used hand hammered rivets with a small washer.
Unless someone more knowledgable than myself claims otherwise I would not hang my hat on this being anything but an old and adequate attachment but dertainly not original to this fine military holster and stock example.
Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 08-26-2007, 10:25 PM

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nnoonan · 08-27-2007, 07:39 AM

if the strap is not factory it has been made by a good leather worker and is not a field modification could it be commercial?

lugerholsterrepair · 08-27-2007, 12:05 PM

Nick, Depending on your deffinition of commercial..it almost has to be! It is not Military and this rig IS military.

One thing I have been meaning to ask..The stud on this..Are there any casting lines along both sides? Look carefully at this stud closeup. Some were cast and some were machined. You should be able to tell by looking close.
Jerry Burney

nnoonan · 08-27-2007, 02:40 PM

jerry
the stud has been machined
this rig came with a 1915 dated dwm that had sadly been deactivated
the owner kept the gun to remind him of the freedoms we once had

lugerholsterrepair · 08-27-2007, 05:00 PM

Nick, The machined stud indicates earlier manufacture although that is not much of an indicator. I am assuming the underside of the stud is leather covered?
Yes, Too bad about England and their foolishness about deactivation. I want to believe this will never happen here...God Bless our founding Fathers and their foresight with the Constitution. At least when Hitlery's minions come to inforce deactivation I will be fighting for something I believe in. Jerry Burney

lew1 · 08-31-2007, 10:55 PM

The holster and stock sold for $3,350.00 to mastersilh( 0 )

lugerholsterrepair · 09-01-2007, 01:30 AM

I happen to know this Gentleman and there is a fascinating story behind this. I wish I could share it. While not told to me with any expectation of confidence I hesitate to divulge it...Jerry Burney

OLDJARHEAD · 09-01-2007, 07:18 AM

I can remember when you could buy a nice car for that price and still have $1350 in your pocket .

tenbears · 09-01-2007, 01:05 PM

Your OK Jerry,
I ended up winning the artillery rig on eBay. It was
sort of by default. With a minute to go I placed a
final bid of 2,010.00. I added to many zeros and the
bid registered as $20,010.00! I could not change it
and realized I was at the total mercy of the other
bidder for the final price. I was embarrassed and had
a sick feeling watching the clock tick down. I bet the
other guy was frantic trying to outbid me. To save
face with Nick I went ahead and sent him a pay pal
payment. I did not sleep good last night.

nnoonan · 09-01-2007, 01:31 PM

hello dow
the same thing happened to me i bid $140,000 instead of $1400 on a japanese sword and ended up paying $14,000!
nick

08-26-2007, 04:31 PM	#1
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	artillery rig on ebay i have listed a very nice artillery luger holster ,stock ,striping tool and very rare early cleaning rod with the brass end on ebay please take a look ebay# 220144013149

08-26-2007, 05:34 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Christian, Which strap? Toe strap? Boot strap? Stock closure strap? They all look good to me from what I can see. Nick, I take it the stock boot is missing? You show no photo's of the loading tool or the cleaning rod on Ebay....Nor do you make mention of them in your auction? Listed seperately? Found the rod, tool? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-26-2007, 06:07 PM	#5
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i have added photos of the strap to the auction page but here are the photos oppinions? Attached Thumbnails

08-26-2007, 06:07 PM	#6
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	2 Attached Thumbnails

08-26-2007, 06:24 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Nick, It is certainly old..I have never seen such a variation on a Military stock/Holster rig. The brass washers and screws look right... Christian, You have a very sharp eye my French Friend! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-26-2007, 05:03 PM	#2
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 490 Thanks: 288 Thanked 96 Times in 41 Posts	the "attaching strap" on the stock is strange...

08-26-2007, 05:51 PM	#4
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hello jerry the boot is missing the stock/holster strap is different to the norm being straight but it matches the rest of the leather work and looks factory made could it be an early variation? i will add a photo to the auction

08-26-2007, 06:31 PM	#8
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the washers and screws are the same as those used on my other rigs i think its original to the rig??

08-26-2007, 07:11 PM	#9
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 490 Thanks: 288 Thanked 96 Times in 41 Posts	thank you Jerry !...)

08-26-2007, 07:31 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Nick, I can say the washers look to be original but I have strong reservations about the stock strap itself. Even the very early ones I have observed have a totally different shape. The shape has never changed to the best of my knowledge. The normal original shape was for a reason, to accomodate the passage of the carry strap thru the stock it is thinner and expands to allow the closure strap to be threaded thru a keeper before it is affixed to the stud. The only difference I have observed is not in the shape but in how the keeper strap is affixed. On very early straps, stock, toe and boot, they stitched them. Later they used hand hammered rivets with a small washer. Unless someone more knowledgable than myself claims otherwise I would not hang my hat on this being anything but an old and adequate attachment but dertainly not original to this fine military holster and stock example. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-26-2007, 10:25 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hot link to goodies being discussed : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

08-27-2007, 07:39 AM	#12
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	if the strap is not factory it has been made by a good leather worker and is not a field modification could it be commercial?

08-27-2007, 12:05 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Nick, Depending on your deffinition of commercial..it almost has to be! It is not Military and this rig IS military. One thing I have been meaning to ask..The stud on this..Are there any casting lines along both sides? Look carefully at this stud closeup. Some were cast and some were machined. You should be able to tell by looking close. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-27-2007, 02:40 PM	#14
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	jerry the stud has been machined this rig came with a 1915 dated dwm that had sadly been deactivated the owner kept the gun to remind him of the freedoms we once had

08-27-2007, 05:00 PM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Nick, The machined stud indicates earlier manufacture although that is not much of an indicator. I am assuming the underside of the stud is leather covered? Yes, Too bad about England and their foolishness about deactivation. I want to believe this will never happen here...God Bless our founding Fathers and their foresight with the Constitution. At least when Hitlery's minions come to inforce deactivation I will be fighting for something I believe in. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-31-2007, 10:55 PM	#16
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	The holster and stock sold for $3,350.00 to mastersilh( 0 ) __________________ charlie

09-01-2007, 01:30 AM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	I happen to know this Gentleman and there is a fascinating story behind this. I wish I could share it. While not told to me with any expectation of confidence I hesitate to divulge it...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-01-2007, 07:18 AM	#18
OLDJARHEAD User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 299 Thanks: 18 Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts	I can remember when you could buy a nice car for that price and still have $1350 in your pocket .

09-01-2007, 01:05 PM	#19
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	Your OK Jerry, I ended up winning the artillery rig on eBay. It was sort of by default. With a minute to go I placed a final bid of 2,010.00. I added to many zeros and the bid registered as $20,010.00! I could not change it and realized I was at the total mercy of the other bidder for the final price. I was embarrassed and had a sick feeling watching the clock tick down. I bet the other guy was frantic trying to outbid me. To save face with Nick I went ahead and sent him a pay pal payment. I did not sleep good last night.

09-01-2007, 01:31 PM	#20
nnoonan User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: london Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hello dow the same thing happened to me i bid $140,000 instead of $1400 on a japanese sword and ended up paying $14,000! nick