unit marking on a 1921 dwm

[el_loco]

hi there,

got a 1921 dwm, s/n 8xxxx (5digits, no suffix) with an unit marking
S.A.5.F.28.

has anybody an idea about its meaning?
as far as i know during this time no unit markings should have been done during that time (new order in 1922 then).
its a bit dubious for me.
besides it is reblued, gun seems not to be a fake.

thanks
klaus

[Steinar]

Guten Tag Klaus,
does your Luger have a sear safety?

I'm sure someone with more knowledge about markings will share their wisdom, for that it's worth, I'm guessing a Prussian police luger.


btw. what does "Extra Bavariam nulla vita, et si est vita, non est ita" mean?

[el_loco]

guten tag nach norwegen

no, it hasn't.
latin, it means, that there is no such a good life outside from bavarian

regards
klaus

[Ron Smith]

Hi Klaus,

Without being able to see it. I think it is a Reichswehr marking for:

Sanit�¤ts Abteilung 5 Fahrpersonal weapon #28

Can you post some clear photos of the pistol?

What are the proof marks on the right side of the received?

Ron

[el_loco]

hi ron

proof marks are not clear to recognize

good to see is : "dove" "dove" "eagle"
what letters and numbers is only a guess

on the breechblock the "dove" has a "waa4"


im not sure, but i think, an i@*!t had polished the gun, before it was blued again, cause the stamps are so hard to recognize.

i will try to make a few pics then

regards klaus

[Augsburger]

Servus Klaus...Wo in Bayern? Meine Familie stammt aus U-Gau.

[el_loco]

servus augsburger

n�¤he m�¼nchen

gr�¼�?e klaus

[Ron Smith]

Klaus,

Dove WaA4 proofs would indicate 1921 production. It does sound like it has been refinished.

Ron

[el_loco]

ron,

yes, i think so too.
my opinion cause this version is not so easy to find:
better a bad (refinished) one than none for the collection


only the unit stamp makes worries, cause it does not fit to the order from 1923

pics will follow...

regards
klas

[Edward Tinker]

Extra Bavariam nulla vita, et si est vita, non est ita

I don't know if I agree totally, but germany and bavaria has a soft spot in my heart (although along with the Netherlands, I lived there for 7 years )


We'd love to see pictures, esp of the marking!

Welcome to the forum, in case I did not say that when you first arrived.

Ed

[Ron Smith]

Klaus,

What order from 1923?

Ron

[el_loco]

@edward

thanks for the welcome!
where in bavaria did you live?


@ron

sorry, misstyped
i mean the instruction from 1922


regards
klaus

[Ron Smith]

Klaus,

I'm still not sure of which order you are refering to. I have six Reichswehr 1921 unit marked Lugers. Reichswehr unit marked Lugers are kind of scarce. Only approx. 8-10 thousand were procured by the Reichsheer.






Ron

[el_loco]

the pics now....

beside my bad english, i also make bad pics

the unit stamp

[el_loco]

ron,

compare your serial numbers with this one:

[el_loco]

right side of the receiver

[el_loco]

the "dove" on the breechblock

[el_loco]

s/n on the frame

[el_loco]

ron,

im reffering to the instruction from 1922.
your unit stamps showing all the "/" in their syntax
so it is correct.
company/regiment.weapon-nr

the stamp of my luger shows the unit stamp, how it is made during ww1:
regiment.company.weapon-nr

and this is, what i do not understand: the old syntax, which is used.

regards klaus

[Ron Smith]

Klaus,

Not all Reichswehr (post WWI) unit marks have the /. Yours is correctly applied and is legitimate.

All of my 1921s have 4 digit serial numbers without a letter suffix or with an a or b suffix. Yours is one of the mysterious 5 digit S/Ns with the 8 added.

There have been discussions on this in the past. I think the general thought is that the 8 was added after some type of refurbishment or rebuild.

Ron