sear safety

jeffs · 09-26-2008, 04:18 PM

What was the reason that the circa 1920 police remakes of Imperial Lugers added a sear safety? Is the original safety not reliable?

Thanks,
Jeff

Steinar · 09-26-2008, 05:30 PM

The upper part (barrel+receiver+toggle train) will still be able to go bang even when separated from the frame, it makes it safer to pick the luger apart for cleaning

John Sabato · 09-26-2008, 05:36 PM

Steinar is correct. The luger is not idiot proof. Apparently the police had a few accidental discharges because they began disassembly without unloading the chamber... when the sear is pressed on a partially disassembled Luger, it will drop the striker and fire a cartridge that is still in the chamber...so they asked DWM to design a feature which would protect the police who were not very cautious... There is nothing wrong with the way the Luger was designed... it is a VERY safe pistol.

But even a VERY safe pistol can be dangerous if not used with care.

jeffs · 09-26-2008, 08:19 PM

Thank you!

Jeff

Don M · 09-27-2008, 01:29 PM

Actually, the sear safety was designed by a man named Schiwy and these were retrofitted to police Lugers by police armorers beginning in late 1933 or early 1934. By that time, DWM/BKIW had transferred its Luger manufacturing equipment to Mauser. Lugers manufactured by Mauser for the police after this time had the Schiwy safety. DWM never had anything to do with them.

jamese · 09-28-2008, 06:11 AM

I'm sure cops in those days are a lot like cops in these days.......Many never held or shot a gun until they became cops. We teach them how to clean and disassemble a firearm in a classroom setting where no live rounds are allowed. Consequently, they forget the very important first step when out in the field.

IÃ¢??m sure that there were many accidental discharges, which resulted in some type of injury that caused this extra expense to be added.

Even today, many Departments are evaluating the S/W to replace the Glock as a service weapon, because the S/W doesnÃ¢??t require one to fire or pull the trigger back in order to disassemble the weapon. If you did the researched I think you will find that accidental discharges on police service weapons has gone up substantially as a direct result of many departments switching to Glocks.

Sorry for the rant

Jim

09-26-2008, 04:18 PM	#1
jeffs User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 170 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	sear safety What was the reason that the circa 1920 police remakes of Imperial Lugers added a sear safety? Is the original safety not reliable? Thanks, Jeff

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Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	The upper part (barrel+receiver+toggle train) will still be able to go bang even when separated from the frame, it makes it safer to pick the luger apart for cleaning __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

09-26-2008, 05:36 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Steinar is correct. The luger is not idiot proof. Apparently the police had a few accidental discharges because they began disassembly without unloading the chamber... when the sear is pressed on a partially disassembled Luger, it will drop the striker and fire a cartridge that is still in the chamber...so they asked DWM to design a feature which would protect the police who were not very cautious... There is nothing wrong with the way the Luger was designed... it is a VERY safe pistol. But even a VERY safe pistol can be dangerous if not used with care. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-27-2008, 01:29 PM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Actually, the sear safety was designed by a man named Schiwy and these were retrofitted to police Lugers by police armorers beginning in late 1933 or early 1934. By that time, DWM/BKIW had transferred its Luger manufacturing equipment to Mauser. Lugers manufactured by Mauser for the police after this time had the Schiwy safety. DWM never had anything to do with them. __________________ Regards, Don [email protected] Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

09-28-2008, 06:11 AM	#6
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	I'm sure cops in those days are a lot like cops in these days.......Many never held or shot a gun until they became cops. We teach them how to clean and disassemble a firearm in a classroom setting where no live rounds are allowed. Consequently, they forget the very important first step when out in the field. IÃ¢??m sure that there were many accidental discharges, which resulted in some type of injury that caused this extra expense to be added. Even today, many Departments are evaluating the S/W to replace the Glock as a service weapon, because the S/W doesnÃ¢??t require one to fire or pull the trigger back in order to disassemble the weapon. If you did the researched I think you will find that accidental discharges on police service weapons has gone up substantially as a direct result of many departments switching to Glocks. Sorry for the rant Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

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