Minefield paperwork

Edward Tinker · 01-11-2009, 10:32 PM

Accedently deleted the thread when I was messing around tonight, so reposted it.

This is a WW2 Battle of the Bulge handdrawn minefield report, evidently in the vinicinty of the village of Eisenborn, Belgium, made on 2/1/1945.

Ron Smith · 01-11-2009, 10:35 PM

Ed,

I was wondering where it went when I tried to post this reply...

I think that it's a significant piece of history. Not only did not many survive. It is drafted and written by hand. In my opinion, a bit of the person who did it.

The Officer who did it had a good bit of training in Drafting and/or Architectural drawing. I've had 5 years of it. I was an assistant drafting instructor, and graded drawings in a first year class in my Senior year in HS. He knew what he was doing.

His legend is very well done, and I like the text and his description.

I think that's a very neat and scarce find. I would put it in a really nice frame. Make sure that the backing and any matting is acid free and paper safe. Very cool...

Ron

jonnyc · 01-11-2009, 11:10 PM

I hope you don't expect us to remember what we posted way back in...hours ago!

Hey, as a military-historian, you should recall that 2/45 is after the Bulge,

Edward Tinker · 01-11-2009, 11:17 PM

Yes, you are right; Battle fought 16 December 1944 – 25 January 1945, but I would expect that to the soldiers; it was very unknown at the time what to expect.

I was going off of the note on the antique shop and no, I did not realize that the date was after

i'd be irritated if the war had ended and I had not known it when I bought it, i.e. after May 1945...

alvin · 01-11-2009, 11:19 PM

Mine is a "immoral" weapon.

Edward Tinker · 01-11-2009, 11:23 PM

Personnel mines are a bad thing; anti tank mines I do not mind.

Here from wikipedia on February

Quote:

By the beginning of February 1945, the lines were roughly where they had been in December 1944. In early February, the Allies launched an attack all along the Western front: in the north under Montgomery toward Aachen; in the center, under Courtney Hodges; and in the south, under Patton.

jonnyc · 01-11-2009, 11:31 PM

True, things were still very "hot" in Feb.

Sorry about being picky, I just got gifted "Band of Brothers" and I may be ODing on it!

Edward Tinker · 01-12-2009, 04:23 PM

I have taken a class on Battle of the Bulge while in the netherlands, and walked the trails they fought on. We drove the route of one of the tank regiments reacting to the attack from Hoensbroek to Bastonge.

My great-uncle was there during the bulge and had a story of a jeep trying to pass him late one night, he didn't let it and next day found out there were germans riding in american jeeps and shooting the drivers as they passed them. He never knew if the jeep trying to pass was germans or not, but had a deauce and a half and they were a lot smaller than him

Ed

MikeP · 01-15-2009, 03:07 AM

Elsenborn ridge is where the US 106th Infantry held out quite a long time before they had to give up.

My dad was with the 506th.
It used to aggravate my mom that a bunch of local vets would get together and tell war stories and my dad would not say a thing.
She never did get it.

01-11-2009, 10:32 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Minefield paperwork Accedently deleted the thread when I was messing around tonight, so reposted it. This is a WW2 Battle of the Bulge handdrawn minefield report, evidently in the vinicinty of the village of Eisenborn, Belgium, made on 2/1/1945. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-11-2009, 10:35 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Ed, I was wondering where it went when I tried to post this reply... I think that it's a significant piece of history. Not only did not many survive. It is drafted and written by hand. In my opinion, a bit of the person who did it. The Officer who did it had a good bit of training in Drafting and/or Architectural drawing. I've had 5 years of it. I was an assistant drafting instructor, and graded drawings in a first year class in my Senior year in HS. He knew what he was doing. His legend is very well done, and I like the text and his description. I think that's a very neat and scarce find. I would put it in a really nice frame. Make sure that the backing and any matting is acid free and paper safe. Very cool... Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-12-2009, 04:23 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I have taken a class on Battle of the Bulge while in the netherlands, and walked the trails they fought on. We drove the route of one of the tank regiments reacting to the attack from Hoensbroek to Bastonge. My great-uncle was there during the bulge and had a story of a jeep trying to pass him late one night, he didn't let it and next day found out there were germans riding in american jeeps and shooting the drivers as they passed them. He never knew if the jeep trying to pass was germans or not, but had a deauce and a half and they were a lot smaller than him Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-11-2009, 11:10 PM	#3
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	I hope you don't expect us to remember what we posted way back in...hours ago! Hey, as a military-historian, you should recall that 2/45 is after the Bulge,

01-11-2009, 11:17 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Yes, you are right; Battle fought 16 December 1944 – 25 January 1945, but I would expect that to the soldiers; it was very unknown at the time what to expect. I was going off of the note on the antique shop and no, I did not realize that the date was after i'd be irritated if the war had ended and I had not known it when I bought it, i.e. after May 1945...

01-11-2009, 11:19 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Mine is a "immoral" weapon.

01-11-2009, 11:31 PM	#7
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	True, things were still very "hot" in Feb. Sorry about being picky, I just got gifted "Band of Brothers" and I may be ODing on it!

01-15-2009, 03:07 AM	#9
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Elsenborn ridge is where the US 106th Infantry held out quite a long time before they had to give up. My dad was with the 506th. It used to aggravate my mom that a bunch of local vets would get together and tell war stories and my dad would not say a thing. She never did get it.