A 1940 42 Rig Turns Up

alanint · 06-20-2009, 11:12 AM

Just watched a nice rig walk into the local shop. The Vet's widow wants an evaluation in order to sell. Here are the particulars and I will include photos later today.

Holster:
Its all there no rips, tears or dry rot. Needs a little TLC
Marked:
PR&K Voegels
Koln-Deutz
1936
Large eagle over Waa234

Gun:
Really nice 85%+ original finish 1940 42 marked gun. All matching except mag
Serial: 9553 F
Has BROWN bakelite grips that look original and do not appear from the patina and verdigris to have been removed from the gun anytime recently. Would these be correct?
Magazines;
1) Waa37 and Marked with a 122 on mag body
Serial 2456 E
2) Serial 9801 W "+" and eagle over 63 on mag bottom, no marks on tube

Has eagle marked takedown tool as well.
Condition throughout appears un messed with and all original
Would like help valueing as soon as I can post photos.

Thanks

alanint · 06-20-2009, 01:14 PM

Here are some images

alanint · 06-20-2009, 01:17 PM

More images

alanint · 06-20-2009, 01:18 PM

Before anybody asks: The trigger is blued and not strawed. This is merely camera flash.

alanint · 06-20-2009, 01:25 PM

and lastly:

abukafura · 06-20-2009, 04:19 PM

What is that leather thing attached to the lanyard loop---a real Luger lanyard? Nice.

alanint · 06-20-2009, 05:25 PM

Don't know if this is a correct lanyard. I'll let the board experts comment.

George Anderson · 06-20-2009, 06:04 PM

Correct as can be. Buy it as quickly as you can.

alanint · 06-20-2009, 07:03 PM

Hi George,

I can't presently afford this rig. What can this widow expect in the way of high fair retail for it?

Thanks

George Anderson · 06-20-2009, 07:53 PM

I will send you a private message.

alanint · 06-20-2009, 08:50 PM

George,

Thank you

rolandtg · 06-20-2009, 09:18 PM

Kreighoff grips? Looks like.

pitsword · 06-20-2009, 09:39 PM

George and Alanint, Please forgive my intrusion, however if I knew what fair retail was I might be able to swing it. What do I do? It would be nice if we could keep this in this community. Best to all,
Pitsword

Lugerdoc · 06-21-2009, 09:40 AM

Pits, The brown grips are WW2 KH replacements (have even seen these used as replacements on some WW1 lugers) and are worth upwards of $250 separately. Unfortunately, they are not the matching wood grips that originally came with this pistol, so detract about the same amount from the value of the pistol, had it had it's original grips. Judging from the die size of the serial on the E/63 mag, I would guess that it has been renumbered during it's service. The code 122 mag is period correct for this 1940/42. So the pistol @$1000+ (if matching other than the mag & grips), with unrelated good holster & spare mag @$250+, would incidate to me about a minimum value of around $1,250. TH

MFC · 06-21-2009, 03:01 PM

alanint,
IMO, the value is relevant to how fast she wants to sell it. If she wants to sell it today, I'll give her $1500 plus shipping.

RichSr · 06-22-2009, 12:29 AM

Tom
Did I miss something new concerning 1940/42 Mausers with the brown bakelight grips. I understood that some of these around the f through h serial numbers where originally equiped with the bakelite grips I believe there is information to that effect on this sight. I acquired a 1940/42 years ago under similar circumstances less than 300 numbers later than this one with the same grips. Would appreciate some of the experts weighing in on this

Jan C Still · 06-22-2009, 02:38 AM

Rich
You are correct; a few 1940 42 code Lugers were originally issued with brown Krieghoff style grips. (Also a few were issued with black plastic grips, however this concept seems very controversial). In my opinion, a 1940 42 code is more valuable with correct brown grips.
Jan
See the links below:
BLACK GRIPS DATA REQUEST (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)taudelt http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=8859

1940/1941 DATES MILITARY CODES 42 and byf DATA (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page)Jan C Still http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=3695

alanint · 06-22-2009, 07:51 AM

Thank you, Jan

So it can be said that this is a rare and desirable Mauser variation?

alanint · 06-22-2009, 05:53 PM

The sale of this gun is currently being negotiated, (by the first person to inquire). Thanks to all of you who showed an interest.
DougA

LoveThySpatula · 09-12-2017, 03:36 AM

I understand this thread is ancient, however, I cannot figure out how the PM system works.

So I am replying here.

Do you still have the magazine with S/N 2456?

06-20-2009, 11:12 AM	#1
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	A 1940 42 Rig Turns Up Just watched a nice rig walk into the local shop. The Vet's widow wants an evaluation in order to sell. Here are the particulars and I will include photos later today. Holster: Its all there no rips, tears or dry rot. Needs a little TLC Marked: PR&K Voegels Koln-Deutz 1936 Large eagle over Waa234 Gun: Really nice 85%+ original finish 1940 42 marked gun. All matching except mag Serial: 9553 F Has BROWN bakelite grips that look original and do not appear from the patina and verdigris to have been removed from the gun anytime recently. Would these be correct? Magazines; 1) Waa37 and Marked with a 122 on mag body Serial 2456 E 2) Serial 9801 W "+" and eagle over 63 on mag bottom, no marks on tube Has eagle marked takedown tool as well. Condition throughout appears un messed with and all original Would like help valueing as soon as I can post photos. Thanks

06-20-2009, 01:14 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Photos of 42 Rig Here are some images Attached Thumbnails

06-20-2009, 01:17 PM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	More Images More images Attached Thumbnails

06-20-2009, 01:25 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	More picks and lastly: Attached Thumbnails

06-21-2009, 09:40 AM	#14
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Pits, The brown grips are WW2 KH replacements (have even seen these used as replacements on some WW1 lugers) and are worth upwards of $250 separately. Unfortunately, they are not the matching wood grips that originally came with this pistol, so detract about the same amount from the value of the pistol, had it had it's original grips. Judging from the die size of the serial on the E/63 mag, I would guess that it has been renumbered during it's service. The code 122 mag is period correct for this 1940/42. So the pistol @$1000+ (if matching other than the mag & grips), with unrelated good holster & spare mag @$250+, would incidate to me about a minimum value of around $1,250. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

06-20-2009, 01:18 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Before anybody asks: The trigger is blued and not strawed. This is merely camera flash.

06-20-2009, 04:19 PM	#6
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	What is that leather thing attached to the lanyard loop---a real Luger lanyard? Nice.

06-20-2009, 05:25 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Don't know if this is a correct lanyard. I'll let the board experts comment.

06-20-2009, 06:04 PM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Correct as can be. Buy it as quickly as you can.

06-20-2009, 07:03 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Hi George, I can't presently afford this rig. What can this widow expect in the way of high fair retail for it? Thanks

06-20-2009, 07:53 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	I will send you a private message.

06-20-2009, 08:50 PM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	George, Thank you

06-20-2009, 09:18 PM	#12
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 380 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	Kreighoff grips? Looks like.

06-20-2009, 09:39 PM	#13
pitsword User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 459 Thanks: 3,964 Thanked 103 Times in 83 Posts	George and Alanint, Please forgive my intrusion, however if I knew what fair retail was I might be able to swing it. What do I do? It would be nice if we could keep this in this community. Best to all, Pitsword

06-21-2009, 03:01 PM	#15
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	alanint, IMO, the value is relevant to how fast she wants to sell it. If she wants to sell it today, I'll give her $1500 plus shipping. __________________ Mike C.

06-22-2009, 12:29 AM	#16
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 153 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	Tom Did I miss something new concerning 1940/42 Mausers with the brown bakelight grips. I understood that some of these around the f through h serial numbers where originally equiped with the bakelite grips I believe there is information to that effect on this sight. I acquired a 1940/42 years ago under similar circumstances less than 300 numbers later than this one with the same grips. Would appreciate some of the experts weighing in on this __________________ Rich

06-22-2009, 02:38 AM	#17
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Rich You are correct; a few 1940 42 code Lugers were originally issued with brown Krieghoff style grips. (Also a few were issued with black plastic grips, however this concept seems very controversial). In my opinion, a 1940 42 code is more valuable with correct brown grips. Jan See the links below: BLACK GRIPS DATA REQUEST (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)taudelt http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=8859 1940/1941 DATES MILITARY CODES 42 and byf DATA (Multi-page thread 1 2 3 ... Last Page)Jan C Still http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=3695

06-22-2009, 07:51 AM	#18
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Thank you, Jan So it can be said that this is a rare and desirable Mauser variation?

06-22-2009, 05:53 PM	#19
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The sale of this gun is currently being negotiated, (by the first person to inquire). Thanks to all of you who showed an interest. DougA

09-12-2017, 03:36 AM	#20
LoveThySpatula New User Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I understand this thread is ancient, however, I cannot figure out how the PM system works. So I am replying here. Do you still have the magazine with S/N 2456?