cleaning kit

fred p · 09-10-2009, 09:28 PM

thanks to Edward tinker I learned today that I have a cleaning kit for my luger. the tin box opens on both ends. the bottom end is empty and the top end has 3 items in it. A chain, brush, and what looks like an oiler of some sort. the oiler shown in the for sale add by Ed is metal [I think]. Mine is a plastic [maybe bakelite?] at first I thought it may be a bore lite but that didnt make much sense because I couldnt find a bulb or a place to put one. Does anyone here know what parts should be in this kit?

fred

Edward Tinker · 09-10-2009, 10:02 PM

no idea, I have another and can look at it

What year and manufacturer is on yours?

Ed

thegundude · 09-10-2009, 10:21 PM

Don't trust Ed. He's far too smart and I just don't trust those smart guys...

fred p · 09-10-2009, 10:27 PM

looks like waa313 on the left of the top and on the right possibly "a" then b44. those are the only markings I have been able to see. on the left above the 313 marking is a eagle holding a globe? most of the paint is in tact but there is some rust on the box. the brush has some rust and there is some corrosion on some of the metal parts of the oiler. the chain has no rust and has a loop that looks similar to a paper clip on one end. I assume 44 is the manufacture year?

fred

George Anderson · 09-10-2009, 11:52 PM

Sounds like you have a cleaning kit for a military Mauser rifle.

Edward Tinker · 09-11-2009, 12:09 AM

Geo, I can look it up, but after a certain time period, these were made for rifle and pistols, they were considered multi purpose.

Ed

A.Mifsin · 09-28-2009, 10:11 PM

fred, the cleaning kit should have, 2 brushes,one chain, one oiler and a special tool to remove the magazine floor plate of the K98k, because these cleaning kit, as far as I know were made for the K98k. The bottom section is to keep cleaning patches.
Alf.

farmertom · 11-30-2009, 04:51 AM

Hello,
this might help.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=21201
best regards
Tom

charly239 · 11-30-2009, 05:13 AM

i have some cleaning kids from the Bundeswehr..these are the same like the ones from the wehrmacht

regards thomas

farmertom · 11-30-2009, 05:16 AM

Hello,
some additional information on the manufacturers of the RG34 cleaning kit:

G. Appel:
tin, unmarked, pre 1935
tin, marked "G.Appel" with date 1935 - 1938
tin, "64" undated (probably 1938 - 1939)
painted "64" undated
painted "cnx" undated
painted "G.Appel", undated with clamp for third brush

Braunschweigische Blechwarenfabik....
tin, kh 1935 (unconfirmed)
tin, ky 1936 - ky 1941
arr41 - arr4 (arr4 stamped in one line, blue. dual line, blue and tan)
rco44 - rco45, tan

HAWIG:
tin, Hawig Logo, undated
painted, Hawig Logo 1940
painted, cmr 41 - cmr45

Mundlos:
tin, Mundlos 1935 - 1940
tin, ab40
painted, ab41 - ab44
CNX (capital letters) might be the missing ab45??????? (Never seen or heard about an "ab45")

Schlesinger:
painted, "ftd", undated

unknown:
painted, rbl44,

remarks:
The CNX coded kits are most probably not manufactured by G.Appel. I assume these kits were assembled by G.Appel from left over parts of the Mundlos company, that was destroyed in early 1945.
undated "G.Appel" marked kits with no WaA, are said to be for Police and other non military branches (RAD, OT...), export (Portugal) and officers who had to buy their equipment themselves.
ChdAW marked kits are most probably made by G.Appel.
ky and Hawig marked kits are known with Navy markings.

Hope this helps
Tom

fred p · 11-30-2009, 08:16 AM

thanks for all the responses! I thought this thread died long ago.

good info. looks like my kit may be short some stuff but thats ok. It's an heirloom and won't ever be sold anyways.

Vlim · 11-30-2009, 01:24 PM

The RG34 was used for both the K98 and the P08.

There is a thread on the forum somewhere which refers to the cleaning instructions and a photo of a group of Luftwaffe conscripts cleaning their P08's with an RG34.

The rarest set is that for the sub calibre sets. I happened to stumble across one of these a few years ago. It will be in Joop's upcoming book

farmertom · 11-30-2009, 04:32 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=21137

09-10-2009, 09:28 PM	#1
fred p User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: N.C. usa Posts: 86 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	cleaning kit thanks to Edward tinker I learned today that I have a cleaning kit for my luger. the tin box opens on both ends. the bottom end is empty and the top end has 3 items in it. A chain, brush, and what looks like an oiler of some sort. the oiler shown in the for sale add by Ed is metal [I think]. Mine is a plastic [maybe bakelite?] at first I thought it may be a bore lite but that didnt make much sense because I couldnt find a bulb or a place to put one. Does anyone here know what parts should be in this kit? fred

09-10-2009, 10:02 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	no idea, I have another and can look at it What year and manufacturer is on yours? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-10-2009, 10:21 PM	#3
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Don't trust Ed. He's far too smart and I just don't trust those smart guys... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

09-11-2009, 12:09 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Geo, I can look it up, but after a certain time period, these were made for rifle and pistols, they were considered multi purpose. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-28-2009, 10:11 PM	#7
A.Mifsin User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Malta Posts: 570 Thanks: 74 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts	fred, the cleaning kit should have, 2 brushes,one chain, one oiler and a special tool to remove the magazine floor plate of the K98k, because these cleaning kit, as far as I know were made for the K98k. The bottom section is to keep cleaning patches. Alf. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I prefer a Luger

09-10-2009, 10:27 PM	#4
fred p User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: N.C. usa Posts: 86 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	looks like waa313 on the left of the top and on the right possibly "a" then b44. those are the only markings I have been able to see. on the left above the 313 marking is a eagle holding a globe? most of the paint is in tact but there is some rust on the box. the brush has some rust and there is some corrosion on some of the metal parts of the oiler. the chain has no rust and has a loop that looks similar to a paper clip on one end. I assume 44 is the manufacture year? fred

09-10-2009, 11:52 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Sounds like you have a cleaning kit for a military Mauser rifle.

11-30-2009, 04:51 AM	#8
farmertom User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, this might help. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=21201 best regards Tom

11-30-2009, 05:13 AM	#9
charly239 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 211 Thanks: 16 Thanked 10 Times in 2 Posts	i have some cleaning kids from the Bundeswehr..these are the same like the ones from the wehrmacht regards thomas

11-30-2009, 05:16 AM	#10
farmertom User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, some additional information on the manufacturers of the RG34 cleaning kit: G. Appel: tin, unmarked, pre 1935 tin, marked "G.Appel" with date 1935 - 1938 tin, "64" undated (probably 1938 - 1939) painted "64" undated painted "cnx" undated painted "G.Appel", undated with clamp for third brush Braunschweigische Blechwarenfabik.... tin, kh 1935 (unconfirmed) tin, ky 1936 - ky 1941 arr41 - arr4 (arr4 stamped in one line, blue. dual line, blue and tan) rco44 - rco45, tan HAWIG: tin, Hawig Logo, undated painted, Hawig Logo 1940 painted, cmr 41 - cmr45 Mundlos: tin, Mundlos 1935 - 1940 tin, ab40 painted, ab41 - ab44 CNX (capital letters) might be the missing ab45??????? (Never seen or heard about an "ab45") Schlesinger: painted, "ftd", undated unknown: painted, rbl44, remarks: The CNX coded kits are most probably not manufactured by G.Appel. I assume these kits were assembled by G.Appel from left over parts of the Mundlos company, that was destroyed in early 1945. undated "G.Appel" marked kits with no WaA, are said to be for Police and other non military branches (RAD, OT...), export (Portugal) and officers who had to buy their equipment themselves. ChdAW marked kits are most probably made by G.Appel. ky and Hawig marked kits are known with Navy markings. Hope this helps Tom

11-30-2009, 08:16 AM	#11
fred p User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: N.C. usa Posts: 86 Thanks: 10 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	thanks for all the responses! I thought this thread died long ago. good info. looks like my kit may be short some stuff but thats ok. It's an heirloom and won't ever be sold anyways.

11-30-2009, 01:24 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	The RG34 was used for both the K98 and the P08. There is a thread on the forum somewhere which refers to the cleaning instructions and a photo of a group of Luftwaffe conscripts cleaning their P08's with an RG34. The rarest set is that for the sub calibre sets. I happened to stumble across one of these a few years ago. It will be in Joop's upcoming book

11-30-2009, 04:32 PM	#13
farmertom User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=21137