The "new Krieghoff"

Piet · 02-14-2010, 04:00 PM

“New Krieghoff”
An article by Jim Dickson in the “manMAGNUM” February 2010 about Krieghoff starting in 2006 to make the Luger P-08 again.
Limited edition (only 200) hand made by Frank Kaltenpoth. Says in the article they sell for just below $20 000 Quite an interesting article. I can try to scan it if anyone is interested.
Piet

Vlim · 02-14-2010, 04:09 PM

Piet,

I'd be interested in reading the article!

Piet · 02-14-2010, 04:45 PM

Vlim
I wil try to attach it here, but I think it is too big (3mb) - it does not work. I will try tomorrow to scan at lower intensity and one page at a time.
Piet

Piet · 02-14-2010, 04:54 PM

Vlim, I sent PM
Piet

alvin · 02-14-2010, 05:48 PM

Interested as well.

In youtube video "Tales of the Gun: Luger 5/5", Michael Krause claimed cost of milling a high quality Luger out was $15K at production volume of 100 guns. Youtube video was not very high quality, I did not hear clearly he said "fifteen thousand", or "fifty thousand", I assume it's the former.

Edward Tinker · 02-14-2010, 07:01 PM

15k

Piet · 02-15-2010, 03:00 PM

Hope this works
Piet

Piet · 02-15-2010, 03:07 PM

Please add - hope you can read it
Piet

Vlim · 02-15-2010, 06:29 PM

Piet,

Very interesting and somewhat disturbing. I've had contact with the company and they chose not to disclose some information mentioned in the South-African article.

I wrote to my contact there, let's see if they will come up with an answer.

It looks like the 'Special Projects Department' of Krieghoff is another phrase for 'Using a Subcontractor' (which we already suspected, really).

tomaustin · 02-15-2010, 06:57 PM

thanks, tom austin

thegundude · 02-15-2010, 07:02 PM

You can click on it and save it. Open it with another program that allows you to zoom in on it.

Thor · 02-15-2010, 07:20 PM

Very interesting article, thanks for posting it.

lugerholsterrepair · 02-15-2010, 09:38 PM

If I had 20 Grand I didn't need I would buy a real Krieghoff. I would like to closely inspect one of the new ones but how would one do that?

Has any of the gun Magazines ever done a shooter test on a new Krieghoff? That would be interesting!

Jerry Burney

Dan44 · 02-16-2010, 01:03 AM

They (Simpson) had one at Louisville last year. Could look at one there

Vlim · 02-16-2010, 10:14 AM

My contact at Krieghoff denied the involvement of the gun company mentioned in the article. This is getting most interesting.

Jerry, IIRC a German gun magazine did a shooting test with one of the prototype guns when they first appeared.

Apart from the hefty price tag, I still think Krieghoff deserves credit for kicking the Parabellum design into the 21st century. This enables us to say that the pistol we all love has been in production on and off for over 100 years!

If I had the budget, there would be one of these in my safe, no doubt about it, but then again I'm a sucker for post war stuff

G.T. · 02-16-2010, 11:05 AM

Hi Gerben, I would love to have any Krieghoff, old or new, but I question their $15,000.00 to $20,000.00 price tag.... I think that their cost would be less then a third of that number, if even that..... Gotta factor in $100.00 dollars an hour engineers and machinest to be fair.....

... best to all, til...lat'r...GT

Ron Wood · 02-16-2010, 11:38 AM

Considering that it is a handmade or at least a hand finished gun (the article talks about master gunsmith Frank Kaltenpoth finishing each individual gun with hand files etc.) in much the same fashion that Mike Krause handmakes his $15,000 .45 Luger, the price seems a little more in line...but still waaay to expensive for anyone but those with real deep pockets.

lugerholsterrepair · 02-16-2010, 12:17 PM

Jerry, IIRC a German gun magazine did a shooting test with one of the prototype guns when they first appeared.

Vlim, Is that published on line that you know of? I would like to read that!

I know what Krieghoff did was a great accomplishment..but in the grand scheme of things it was of little import as well. No common Luger nut can afford one. If they had gotten them down to $5000 even..... then it might have been exciting. Owning one might have been possible.
With the availability of VERY nice Lugers still within economic reason I will buy an original.
You will only have millionairs that can afford a New Krieghoff. Perhaps thats as it should be...who can say?
I have a beat up 1937 Krieghoff I think I have $1000 in so far and it has history written all over it. The stampings are fascinating and I know when and where it's been, a part of military history.
Frankly I would find it much more interesting in the long run than a New one. New Krieghoffs are an investment strategy and status symbol of the wealthy..I doubt many will even be shot by their owners.
I am happy Krieghoff made them but they are of little importance to me.

Jerry Burney

Piet · 02-16-2010, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomaustin

thanks, tom austin

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegundude

You can click on it and save it. Open it with another program that allows you to zoom in on it.

Or you can left click on it - wait for the small window to open, left click again on it - it wil open a new window. Then go to "Page" (on top of new window) drop down menu will appear - go to "zoom" and select 150 or 200%
Many ways to kill a cat!
Piet

Vlim · 02-16-2010, 12:56 PM

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DWJ has (at last) tested the “Presentation Series” Krieghoff Parabellum (DWJ 09/2008). Reading between the lines, they were under-awed.

The series is limited to 200 units, numbered above the highest previously noted S/N (the test pistol was numbered 18001). The star, stamped on the front right hand side of the receiver denotes correctly that the pistol was not accepted by the Luftwaffe and therefore destined for commercial sale. The company logo is missing on the left side of the receiver.

A chip of metal had broken from the front of the ramp and the damage had been blued over. The fact that the stock lug is too wide to accept a standard stock would coincide with the original. One of the two magazines permanently failed to feed after the first three rounds, whereas the reserve mag functioned correctly. Other standard magazines would only fit into the grip with difficulty. The aluminium mag bases are newly manufactured, with numbers engraved, not stamped like on the originals. After test firing the gun, the pin retaining the middle toggle axle was missing.

Lugers that have seen service are still available at acceptable prices and a pistol, serviced overhauled and re-worked by a reputable gunsmith would likely look a lot better and definitely shoot just as well (if not better) than the Krieghoff.

--Patrick Villiers on Jan C. Still's forum.

02-14-2010, 04:00 PM	#1
Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	The "new Krieghoff" “New Krieghoff” An article by Jim Dickson in the “manMAGNUM” February 2010 about Krieghoff starting in 2006 to make the Luger P-08 again. Limited edition (only 200) hand made by Frank Kaltenpoth. Says in the article they sell for just below $20 000 Quite an interesting article. I can try to scan it if anyone is interested. Piet

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Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	Hope this works Piet Attached Thumbnails

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Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	Please add - hope you can read it Piet Attached Thumbnails

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Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Piet, I'd be interested in reading the article!

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Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	Vlim I wil try to attach it here, but I think it is too big (3mb) - it does not work. I will try tomorrow to scan at lower intensity and one page at a time. Piet

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Piet User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Africa Posts: 143 Thanks: 155 Thanked 35 Times in 22 Posts	Vlim, I sent PM Piet

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alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Interested as well. In youtube video "Tales of the Gun: Luger 5/5", Michael Krause claimed cost of milling a high quality Luger out was $15K at production volume of 100 guns. Youtube video was not very high quality, I did not hear clearly he said "fifteen thousand", or "fifty thousand", I assume it's the former.

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Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Piet, Very interesting and somewhat disturbing. I've had contact with the company and they chose not to disclose some information mentioned in the South-African article. I wrote to my contact there, let's see if they will come up with an answer. It looks like the 'Special Projects Department' of Krieghoff is another phrase for 'Using a Subcontractor' (which we already suspected, really).

02-15-2010, 07:20 PM	#12
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Very interesting article, thanks for posting it. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	If I had 20 Grand I didn't need I would buy a real Krieghoff. I would like to closely inspect one of the new ones but how would one do that? Has any of the gun Magazines ever done a shooter test on a new Krieghoff? That would be interesting! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-16-2010, 01:03 AM	#14
Dan44 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	They (Simpson) had one at Louisville last year. Could look at one there

02-16-2010, 10:14 AM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	My contact at Krieghoff denied the involvement of the gun company mentioned in the article. This is getting most interesting. Jerry, IIRC a German gun magazine did a shooting test with one of the prototype guns when they first appeared. Apart from the hefty price tag, I still think Krieghoff deserves credit for kicking the Parabellum design into the 21st century. This enables us to say that the pistol we all love has been in production on and off for over 100 years! If I had the budget, there would be one of these in my safe, no doubt about it, but then again I'm a sucker for post war stuff

02-16-2010, 11:05 AM	#16
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	post war Krieg Hi Gerben, I would love to have any Krieghoff, old or new, but I question their $15,000.00 to $20,000.00 price tag.... I think that their cost would be less then a third of that number, if even that..... Gotta factor in $100.00 dollars an hour engineers and machinest to be fair........ best to all, til...lat'r...GT

02-16-2010, 11:38 AM	#17
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Considering that it is a handmade or at least a hand finished gun (the article talks about master gunsmith Frank Kaltenpoth finishing each individual gun with hand files etc.) in much the same fashion that Mike Krause handmakes his $15,000 .45 Luger, the price seems a little more in line...but still waaay to expensive for anyone but those with real deep pockets. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-16-2010, 12:17 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Jerry, IIRC a German gun magazine did a shooting test with one of the prototype guns when they first appeared. Vlim, Is that published on line that you know of? I would like to read that! I know what Krieghoff did was a great accomplishment..but in the grand scheme of things it was of little import as well. No common Luger nut can afford one. If they had gotten them down to $5000 even..... then it might have been exciting. Owning one might have been possible. With the availability of VERY nice Lugers still within economic reason I will buy an original. You will only have millionairs that can afford a New Krieghoff. Perhaps thats as it should be...who can say? I have a beat up 1937 Krieghoff I think I have $1000 in so far and it has history written all over it. The stampings are fascinating and I know when and where it's been, a part of military history. Frankly I would find it much more interesting in the long run than a New one. New Krieghoffs are an investment strategy and status symbol of the wealthy..I doubt many will even be shot by their owners. I am happy Krieghoff made them but they are of little importance to me. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."