Why it's on market again, so quickly?

alvin · 02-16-2010, 09:44 PM

http://www.gregmartinauctions.com/do...AManAtArms.pdf

The video said it was just sold, last year? or two years ago?

lew1 · 02-16-2010, 11:41 PM

Someone needs money - possible ??

Ron Smith · 02-17-2010, 09:37 AM

His wife found out...

alvin · 02-17-2010, 10:13 AM

So the rumor that I heard saying it was bought by an Arab prince is, obviously, not true. There were other versions, but most likely not true either.

It's a good oppertunity to see market uncertainty.

Vlim · 02-17-2010, 11:12 AM

Perhaps the provenance didn't turn out to be what it was

Jack Lawman · 02-17-2010, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

Perhaps the provenance didn't turn out to be what it was

... or a year long shill job?

John Sabato · 02-17-2010, 11:34 AM

I was not aware that .45 Luger serial number #2 had a safety chip damage on the left grip! See the link to the photo in post 1.

Vlim · 02-17-2010, 11:50 AM

John, sharp eye.

On the photo it also looks like it has a small dent in the bottom of the trigger guard.

saab-bob · 02-17-2010, 11:54 AM

Well,that what happens when you shoot them!

Since the guns collector value is now ruined,I'll give $200.00 bucks for it!

Bob

Jack Lawman · 02-17-2010, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

I was not aware that .45 Luger serial number #2 had a safety chip damage on the left grip! See the link to the photo in post 1.

Very good pickup! A true "million dollar chip"

lew1 · 02-17-2010, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

John, sharp eye.

On the photo it also looks like it has a small dent in the bottom of the trigger guard.

Picky

FNorm · 02-17-2010, 05:44 PM

Damn! I already spent my 'luger budget' for this month...

FN

alvin · 02-17-2010, 06:05 PM

Could anyone tell me where did the original #2 story come from? What's proof of the provenance?

Of course it's out of my reach, just curious.

My dreaming gun is not one that I cannot reach, my dreaming gun is one that I can reach but would take some effort. This one does not fall into my verion of dreaming gun category.

Having said that, it's still good to know the background of this famous piece. Have a story to tell?

Norme · 02-17-2010, 06:46 PM

Hi Alvin, In Jan's "Central Powers Pistols" there is a lengthy discourse, with illustrations, on the two .45 cal. Lugers thought to be genuine, the Aberman and the Norton. Gee, how I would love to have a Luger named after me! Regards, Norm

Jack Lawman · 02-17-2010, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Have a story to tell?

I don't know if this is the story you are looking for, but at 3:52 of the video, it looks like the chip is missing:
Tales of the Gun Video Link- Luger

suum cuique · 02-17-2010, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Lawman

Very good pickup! A true "million dollar chip"

still a nice shooter

Maybe I should buy it, I have still a few boxes .45 ACP +p+ ammo left.

Vlim · 02-17-2010, 08:57 PM

Andy, just clip a few coils from the spring. It'll work

alvin · 02-17-2010, 09:30 PM

Just read the execellent presentation on CPP page 424 - 435. So this is Aberman, with a minor chip on left panel.

Be honest, .45 Luger is not pretty, at least not as pretty as standard 9m/m, let alone comparing with classical appearance of those early 7,65 Lugers. It's not unlike Shensei .45 Broom -- parts were enlarged for function, but designer lost his sight on beauty.

But that's unimportant, rareness and provenance guarantee its hotness. Buy one to consume some ammo, I'd like to represent President Obama to thank you contributing to U.S. economy recovery

===

Never mind. I represent myself, so I don't have to ask permission.

drbuster · 02-18-2010, 09:54 PM

This ex-Abermann #2 .45 caliber "test" luger (the REAL .45 test luger had a different grip angle) is indeed for sale at auction March 14th, Greg Martin, Anaheim. Contrary to what was posted above, it is not currently owned by Zomber/Ellis but rather to a deceased collector whose family wants to remain anonymous. It passed through a few hands at considerably under the original Abermann price of $900,000. Rumors of its joining #5 in the Norton Museum are merely rumors. It will be interesting to see what it sells for or even if it meets the reserve price in this conservative market.

LugerVern · 02-18-2010, 10:54 PM

Really bad picture!
It looks like it has been abused!

It doesn't look like the same gun to me.

Well, I wish them luck.

Vern

02-16-2010, 09:44 PM	#1
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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I was not aware that .45 Luger serial number #2 had a safety chip damage on the left grip! See the link to the photo in post 1. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Well,that what happens when you shoot them! Since the guns collector value is now ruined,I'll give $200.00 bucks for it! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

02-18-2010, 10:54 PM	#20
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Really bad picture! It looks like it has been abused! It doesn't look like the same gun to me. Well, I wish them luck. Vern Attached Thumbnails

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lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Someone needs money - possible ?? __________________ charlie

02-17-2010, 10:13 AM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	So the rumor that I heard saying it was bought by an Arab prince is, obviously, not true. There were other versions, but most likely not true either. It's a good oppertunity to see market uncertainty.

02-17-2010, 11:12 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Perhaps the provenance didn't turn out to be what it was

02-17-2010, 11:50 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	John, sharp eye. On the photo it also looks like it has a small dent in the bottom of the trigger guard.

02-17-2010, 05:44 PM	#12
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	Damn! I already spent my 'luger budget' for this month... FN

02-17-2010, 06:05 PM	#13
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Could anyone tell me where did the original #2 story come from? What's proof of the provenance? Of course it's out of my reach, just curious. My dreaming gun is not one that I cannot reach, my dreaming gun is one that I can reach but would take some effort. This one does not fall into my verion of dreaming gun category. Having said that, it's still good to know the background of this famous piece. Have a story to tell?

02-17-2010, 06:46 PM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Alvin, In Jan's "Central Powers Pistols" there is a lengthy discourse, with illustrations, on the two .45 cal. Lugers thought to be genuine, the Aberman and the Norton. Gee, how I would love to have a Luger named after me! Regards, Norm

02-17-2010, 08:57 PM	#17
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Andy, just clip a few coils from the spring. It'll work

02-17-2010, 09:30 PM	#18
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Just read the execellent presentation on CPP page 424 - 435. So this is Aberman, with a minor chip on left panel. Be honest, .45 Luger is not pretty, at least not as pretty as standard 9m/m, let alone comparing with classical appearance of those early 7,65 Lugers. It's not unlike Shensei .45 Broom -- parts were enlarged for function, but designer lost his sight on beauty. But that's unimportant, rareness and provenance guarantee its hotness. Buy one to consume some ammo, I'd like to represent President Obama to thank you contributing to U.S. economy recovery === Never mind. I represent myself, so I don't have to ask permission.

02-18-2010, 09:54 PM	#19
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	This ex-Abermann #2 .45 caliber "test" luger (the REAL .45 test luger had a different grip angle) is indeed for sale at auction March 14th, Greg Martin, Anaheim. Contrary to what was posted above, it is not currently owned by Zomber/Ellis but rather to a deceased collector whose family wants to remain anonymous. It passed through a few hands at considerably under the original Abermann price of $900,000. Rumors of its joining #5 in the Norton Museum are merely rumors. It will be interesting to see what it sells for or even if it meets the reserve price in this conservative market.