Who is the producer of this magazine?

suum cuique · 04-30-2010, 07:03 PM

Hi,
I've just received this wonderful set of magazines.
There are no markings except the #

6659

and

6659 +

Who has a clue who manufactured it?
Any ideas?

Weimar? Vopo? Police? Swiss? From Norway? Somebody else, who?

c3006 · 04-30-2010, 08:11 PM

They look like they may be repops but Im not sure,someone here knows.

FNorm · 04-30-2010, 08:17 PM

They bear a very strong resemblance to my Haenel Schmisser # 2766 #2 E/L. But mine has only one pin in the bottom, a zig-zag spring, and a slightly different notch for the mag release.

Edward Tinker · 04-30-2010, 09:19 PM

I agree, I would say they are supposed to be weimar era schmeissers that someone redid the bottoms with new blank bases and for whatever reason put a 2nd pin in them; however, they do not look right, so I would say reproductions, perhaps the mexican ones or denmark, they both were done pretty well.

Ed

suum cuique · 05-03-2010, 01:29 AM

the guess game is still on...
More ideas?

jussi16 · 05-03-2010, 03:52 AM

I`d say that these are new Krieghoff magazines. But where is the new gun...

jussi

John Sabato · 05-03-2010, 01:37 PM

These are Triple-K aftermarket magazines... they are the only aftermarket producer that uses two pins as I recall, but Mec-Gar may also have used this method.

Someone has stamped numbers into them, and may have replaced the original bottoms with new aluminum. IMHO, these are not original German production. I would bet that they only hold 7 rounds. There are mold lines down the center of the followers... not in my experience with German made magazines.

They are NOT extruded magazines and therefore can't be Haenel Schmeisser police mag production.

They could quite possibly be original MITCHELL stainless steel magazines from the original production when they used the standard type P.08 magazine, and Triple-K may have been the producing sub-contractor for that.

That's my $0.02 story and I'm stickin' to it.

suum cuique · 05-03-2010, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

These are Triple-K aftermarket magazines... they are the only aftermarket producer that uses two pins as I recall, but Mec-Gar may also have used this method.

Someone has stamped numbers into them, and may have replaced the original bottoms with new aluminum. IMHO, these are not original German production. I would bet that they only hold 7 rounds. There are mold lines down the center of the followers... not in my experience with German made magazines.

They are NOT extruded magazines and therefore can't be Haenel Schmeisser police mag production.

They could quite possibly be original MITCHELL stainless steel magazines from the original production when they used the standard type P.08 magazine, and Triple-K may have been the producing sub-contractor for that.

That's my $0.02 story and I'm stickin' to it.

John,
the mags hold 8 rounds. I've tried it out on the range yesterday.
They work great.

If they are reproductions, who is gifted enough to manufacture such kind of nickled masterpieces in your opinion?

John Sabato · 05-03-2010, 03:14 PM

I understand that Triple-K has had varying quality during their production over the years. I have rarely seen any that I liked, but others swear by them. They could have been made during one of those "quality" periods.

If they are stainless steel instead of nickel, they are very likely of the Mitchell Stainless "Luger" vintage. I doubt that the actual manufacturer of the original stainless lugers made their own magazines... it would be too expensive to tool up to produce them for the small number that would be required. More likely they were produced by one of the aftermarket producers out of materials specified by the marketing company (Mitchell). All of the stainless Lugers were produced by the same manufacturing plant now called Orimar, which may have finally gone belly-up, and previously the names AIMCO, STOEGER and MITCHELL (IN REVERSE ORDER OF PRODUCTION).

Mec-gar is a strong contender as the producer of these mags, and they would be my aftermarket magazine manufacturer of choice because of their consistent quality.

FNorm · 05-03-2010, 03:40 PM

John,

I believe you're correct! I pulled out a Mec-Gar mag and except for the case color, and base they are identical. Two bottom pins, same look to the follower, same slightly straight catch hole, same little dent by the follower button.

FN

suum cuique · 05-03-2010, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FNorm

John,

I believe you're correct! I pulled out a Mec-Gar mag and except for the case color, and base they are identical. Two bottom pins, same look to the follower, same slightly straight catch hole, same little dent by the follower button.

FN

Is this your final answer?

Lugerdoc · 05-04-2010, 06:30 PM

I agree that they are the older type Mec-Gar mags (prior to them adding their logo or polished and renickeled) with new repro alum bottoms installed and renumbereded. If they were stainless 3Ks the followers would not be metal. Nice job. Worthy of GT. TH

suum cuique · 05-06-2010, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

I agree that they are the older type Mec-Gar mags (prior to them adding their logo or polished and renickeled) with new repro alum bottoms installed and renumbereded. If they were stainless 3Ks the followers would not be metal. Nice job. Worthy of GT. TH

Tom
you are absolutly right!

The mags are Mec-Gar with a different kind of spring and custom bottoms made by GT.
He numbered the aluminium bottoms in such a great way to fit perfectly my Luger-Shooter!

I needed a pair of mags for my shooter and he made them for me, a wonderful job!

The mags are looking awesome and they work perfectly at the range as well !
If you need a great working magazine, GT ist the choice. I can highly recommend him.

GT, you made an outstanding job! Thank you so much!

Gentlemen, what do you think?

04-30-2010, 07:03 PM	#1
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Who is the producer of this magazine? Hi, I've just received this wonderful set of magazines. There are no markings except the # 6659 and 6659 + Who has a clue who manufactured it? Any ideas? Weimar? Vopo? Police? Swiss? From Norway? Somebody else, who? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

04-30-2010, 09:19 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I agree, I would say they are supposed to be weimar era schmeissers that someone redid the bottoms with new blank bases and for whatever reason put a 2nd pin in them; however, they do not look right, so I would say reproductions, perhaps the mexican ones or denmark, they both were done pretty well. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-03-2010, 01:29 AM	#5
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Gentlemen, the guess game is still on... More ideas? __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

05-03-2010, 01:37 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	These are Triple-K aftermarket magazines... they are the only aftermarket producer that uses two pins as I recall, but Mec-Gar may also have used this method. Someone has stamped numbers into them, and may have replaced the original bottoms with new aluminum. IMHO, these are not original German production. I would bet that they only hold 7 rounds. There are mold lines down the center of the followers... not in my experience with German made magazines. They are NOT extruded magazines and therefore can't be Haenel Schmeisser police mag production. They could quite possibly be original MITCHELL stainless steel magazines from the original production when they used the standard type P.08 magazine, and Triple-K may have been the producing sub-contractor for that. That's my $0.02 story and I'm stickin' to it. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-03-2010, 03:14 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I understand that Triple-K has had varying quality during their production over the years. I have rarely seen any that I liked, but others swear by them. They could have been made during one of those "quality" periods. If they are stainless steel instead of nickel, they are very likely of the Mitchell Stainless "Luger" vintage. I doubt that the actual manufacturer of the original stainless lugers made their own magazines... it would be too expensive to tool up to produce them for the small number that would be required. More likely they were produced by one of the aftermarket producers out of materials specified by the marketing company (Mitchell). All of the stainless Lugers were produced by the same manufacturing plant now called Orimar, which may have finally gone belly-up, and previously the names AIMCO, STOEGER and MITCHELL (IN REVERSE ORDER OF PRODUCTION). Mec-gar is a strong contender as the producer of these mags, and they would be my aftermarket magazine manufacturer of choice because of their consistent quality. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-30-2010, 08:11 PM	#2
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	They look like they may be repops but Im not sure,someone here knows. __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

04-30-2010, 08:17 PM	#3
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	They bear a very strong resemblance to my Haenel Schmisser # 2766 #2 E/L. But mine has only one pin in the bottom, a zig-zag spring, and a slightly different notch for the mag release.

05-03-2010, 03:52 AM	#6
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	I`d say that these are new Krieghoff magazines. But where is the new gun... jussi

05-03-2010, 03:40 PM	#10
FNorm Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 978 Thanks: 68 Thanked 127 Times in 108 Posts	John, I believe you're correct! I pulled out a Mec-Gar mag and except for the case color, and base they are identical. Two bottom pins, same look to the follower, same slightly straight catch hole, same little dent by the follower button. FN

05-04-2010, 06:30 PM	#12
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I agree that they are the older type Mec-Gar mags (prior to them adding their logo or polished and renickeled) with new repro alum bottoms installed and renumbereded. If they were stainless 3Ks the followers would not be metal. Nice job. Worthy of GT. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]