Take down tools

cirelaw · 03-21-2011, 07:33 PM

I was wondering if anyone out there primarily collect takedown tools. It seems there is no recognized authority that I am aware is the king of takedowns. After I bought my 1937 Krieghoff from Ralph last year I had a hardtime finding a legit takedown. I got a taste for them and now need one for my 1908 navy. It appears we are surrounded by more and more fakes and no real guide on the subjest. I thank for the assistence of a fellow member and friend. Is there a detailed book on the subject? Which ones are the hardest to find? Which are the most faked? Was a specific one made for my 1906 Frenchy or 1900 US Test piece? Where do I start and who is our in house expert? I appreciate the help of those out there! TKS Eric aka cirelaw! PS Did they ever make one in Chrome?

wlyon · 03-21-2011, 08:08 PM

Eric
Good write up on tools in Hallock and Van de Kants new book. Bill

George Anderson · 03-21-2011, 08:43 PM

Mr. Dave Lindsay has probably accumulated more information on loading tools than anyone else. I believe he authored the section on tools in van de Kant's book.

As to an authority on the subject, I would turn to Klaus Merzbach in Germany. I know that he and Dave have collaborated quite a bit.

cirelaw · 03-21-2011, 09:30 PM

Great Ill defininitly pick it up!!!Tks You both!!

Edward Tinker · 03-22-2011, 02:57 AM

I know some experts have been working on a booklet, just on tools....

Ed

cirelaw · 03-22-2011, 11:20 AM

What is amazing is that is design was hot changed in over a 100 years!

command450 · 06-23-2011, 02:04 PM

I have a bunch of them, and they are all original. I will be selling some of them eventually maybe I can help you out with the correct one?

Dave L. · 12-31-2011, 01:23 AM

Command 450,
I am always interested in loading tools from 1900-1946. Dave L.
[email protected]

Dave L. · 12-31-2011, 01:29 AM

Eric,
You have a copy of Don Hallock & Joop's book see appendix A for the tools of 1930-1946. Send me an Email and I would send you a copy of Klaus's Article 1 at no cost. Dave L.
[email protected]

Lugerdoc · 12-31-2011, 09:43 AM

Eric, There was recently an exc article with photos in Automag, the monthly news letter of NAPCA, the National Automatic Pistol Collectors Assoc, which I recommend if you like German pistols. This info may also be on line at www.napca.com Tom

cirelaw · 12-31-2011, 11:42 AM

Thanks tom, you are always helpfull!

cirelaw · 12-31-2011, 05:37 PM

Whats amazing is the distinct characturistic on the Kreighoff tools. They have saved my butt on more than 2 occasions

CAP Black · 12-31-2011, 06:28 PM

I recently read the paper that David L. was so gracious to provide. I read and reread the part about the sharp edge on the inside of the circle but didn't fully grasp the meaning of how and why it was done. And the mistakes made if production. What's that all about?
thanks
Jack

saab-bob · 01-08-2012, 05:13 PM

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Eric
Here is a factory chromed luger tool for you.
Never seen any others. Goes with my Mitchell luger.

Bob
PS As you know,recovery from a major surgury can be very annoyning!

cirelaw · 01-08-2012, 06:07 PM

I found you a Kreegy to go with it!

Lugerdoc · 01-09-2012, 10:22 AM

IMHO, All of the early DWM lugers, regardless of contract, are correct with the standard unmarked DWM loading tools. I have these available @$50 + $6 S&H. Most of the Naval marked tools that I have see are bogus, so be very careful. TH

cirelaw · 12-03-2013, 01:08 PM

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03-21-2011, 07:33 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Take down tools I was wondering if anyone out there primarily collect takedown tools. It seems there is no recognized authority that I am aware is the king of takedowns. After I bought my 1937 Krieghoff from Ralph last year I had a hardtime finding a legit takedown. I got a taste for them and now need one for my 1908 navy. It appears we are surrounded by more and more fakes and no real guide on the subjest. I thank for the assistence of a fellow member and friend. Is there a detailed book on the subject? Which ones are the hardest to find? Which are the most faked? Was a specific one made for my 1906 Frenchy or 1900 US Test piece? Where do I start and who is our in house expert? I appreciate the help of those out there! TKS Eric aka cirelaw! PS Did they ever make one in Chrome?

03-21-2011, 08:08 PM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Eric Good write up on tools in Hallock and Van de Kants new book. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

03-22-2011, 02:57 AM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I know some experts have been working on a booklet, just on tools.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-31-2011, 09:43 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Eric, There was recently an exc article with photos in Automag, the monthly news letter of NAPCA, the National Automatic Pistol Collectors Assoc, which I recommend if you like German pistols. This info may also be on line at www.napca.com Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

01-08-2012, 05:13 PM	#14
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Eric Here is a factory chromed luger tool for you. Never seen any others. Goes with my Mitchell luger. Bob PS As you know,recovery from a major surgury can be very annoyning! __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

03-21-2011, 08:43 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Mr. Dave Lindsay has probably accumulated more information on loading tools than anyone else. I believe he authored the section on tools in van de Kant's book. As to an authority on the subject, I would turn to Klaus Merzbach in Germany. I know that he and Dave have collaborated quite a bit.

03-21-2011, 09:30 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Great Ill defininitly pick it up!!!Tks You both!!

03-22-2011, 11:20 AM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	What is amazing is that is design was hot changed in over a 100 years!

06-23-2011, 02:04 PM	#7
command450 User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: West Michigan Posts: 38 Thanks: 16 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I have a bunch of them, and they are all original. I will be selling some of them eventually maybe I can help you out with the correct one?

12-31-2011, 01:23 AM	#8
Dave L. User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Command 450, I am always interested in loading tools from 1900-1946. Dave L. [email protected]

12-31-2011, 01:29 AM	#9
Dave L. User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Eric, You have a copy of Don Hallock & Joop's book see appendix A for the tools of 1930-1946. Send me an Email and I would send you a copy of Klaus's Article 1 at no cost. Dave L. [email protected]

12-31-2011, 11:42 AM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thanks tom, you are always helpfull!

12-31-2011, 05:37 PM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Whats amazing is the distinct characturistic on the Kreighoff tools. They have saved my butt on more than 2 occasions

12-31-2011, 06:28 PM	#13
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	I recently read the paper that David L. was so gracious to provide. I read and reread the part about the sharp edge on the inside of the circle but didn't fully grasp the meaning of how and why it was done. And the mistakes made if production. What's that all about? thanks Jack

01-08-2012, 06:07 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I found you a Kreegy to go with it! Attached Thumbnails

01-09-2012, 10:22 AM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	IMHO, All of the early DWM lugers, regardless of contract, are correct with the standard unmarked DWM loading tools. I have these available @$50 + $6 S&H. Most of the Naval marked tools that I have see are bogus, so be very careful. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

12-03-2013, 01:08 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Two