"R.J.R 10. 233" marked 1916

Rbrooks45 · 01-04-2012, 05:39 PM

I found this 1916 marked "R.J.R 10. 233" on egun.de and was just wandering what the R.J.R meant. Sorry I can't give serial numbers, the picture was not clear enough.

mrerick · 01-04-2012, 10:23 PM

Reserve Infantry Regiment. "J" is for "Jaeger" or "hunter" in English.

Discussion of a similar unit mark is at:

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...rk-R-J-R-16-7C

George Anderson · 01-04-2012, 10:24 PM

R.J.R. indicates reserve infantry regiment.

klaus 3338 · 01-05-2012, 06:22 AM

Hallo Landsmann,
das Reserve Infanterie Regiment 10 bestand schon seit der Mobilmachung und gehörte der 21. bzw. 23 Infanterie Brigade und somit der 11. Reserve Division an.
Es war an der Westfront, insbesondere in Verdun und an der Somme eingesetzt.
Eine Regimentsgeschichte würde sicher einige interessante Zusammenhänge aufzeigen.
Ist weiteres Zubehör, wie z. B. eine passende Tasche vorhanden?
Die Waffennummer 233 ist etwas unverständlich. Eine so hohe Nummer in einem Regiment ist nicht zu erklären. Reitende Batterien eines Feld Artillerie Regiments hatten bis zu 135 08 Pistolen. Ich kenne keine Einheit, und schon gar keine Reserve Einheit, die so großzügig ausgestattet war.
Gruß Klaus

Ron Wood · 01-05-2012, 10:36 AM

Klaus,
Although the 233 weapon number seems high, could it be that the property numbers were shared and included weapons other than Lugers. e.g. rifles and other types of pistols?

Ron Smith · 01-05-2012, 01:04 PM

Possibly a provisional unit mark (no Company designation), and the armorer mis-understood the marking order adding the weapon numbers sequentially for the entire Regt.

Noll's lists weapon numbers into the 200,s , mostly for Reserve Regiments.

klaus 3338 · 01-05-2012, 01:15 PM

Ron,
all was possible in the Great War.
The unit markings on the Lugers were stuck by the weapon master of the regiment and it was not allowed in 1916 to stamp the guns with a unit mark. We can read at the 30. December 1916 in the "Armee Verordnungsblatt" that it was even not more allowed to stamp the holsters and all other equipment with the unit marks.

Rbrooks45 · 01-05-2012, 03:03 PM

Thanks all for the help. Like I had said I had seen this on an auction site and was wandering what the marks meant but the buy it now price of 450 euro was too much for the condition.

01-04-2012, 05:39 PM	#1
Rbrooks45 User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	"R.J.R 10. 233" marked 1916 I found this 1916 marked "R.J.R 10. 233" on egun.de and was just wandering what the R.J.R meant. Sorry I can't give serial numbers, the picture was not clear enough. Attached Thumbnails

01-04-2012, 10:23 PM	#2
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Reserve Infantry Regiment. "J" is for "Jaeger" or "hunter" in English. Discussion of a similar unit mark is at: http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...rk-R-J-R-16-7C __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-05-2012, 10:36 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Klaus, Although the 233 weapon number seems high, could it be that the property numbers were shared and included weapons other than Lugers. e.g. rifles and other types of pistols? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-05-2012, 01:04 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Possibly a provisional unit mark (no Company designation), and the armorer mis-understood the marking order adding the weapon numbers sequentially for the entire Regt. Noll's lists weapon numbers into the 200,s , mostly for Reserve Regiments. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-04-2012, 10:24 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	R.J.R. indicates reserve infantry regiment.

01-05-2012, 06:22 AM	#4
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Hallo Landsmann, das Reserve Infanterie Regiment 10 bestand schon seit der Mobilmachung und gehörte der 21. bzw. 23 Infanterie Brigade und somit der 11. Reserve Division an. Es war an der Westfront, insbesondere in Verdun und an der Somme eingesetzt. Eine Regimentsgeschichte würde sicher einige interessante Zusammenhänge aufzeigen. Ist weiteres Zubehör, wie z. B. eine passende Tasche vorhanden? Die Waffennummer 233 ist etwas unverständlich. Eine so hohe Nummer in einem Regiment ist nicht zu erklären. Reitende Batterien eines Feld Artillerie Regiments hatten bis zu 135 08 Pistolen. Ich kenne keine Einheit, und schon gar keine Reserve Einheit, die so großzügig ausgestattet war. Gruß Klaus

01-05-2012, 01:15 PM	#7
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Ron, all was possible in the Great War. The unit markings on the Lugers were stuck by the weapon master of the regiment and it was not allowed in 1916 to stamp the guns with a unit mark. We can read at the 30. December 1916 in the "Armee Verordnungsblatt" that it was even not more allowed to stamp the holsters and all other equipment with the unit marks.

01-05-2012, 03:03 PM	#8
Rbrooks45 User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Germany Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks all for the help. Like I had said I had seen this on an auction site and was wandering what the marks meant but the buy it now price of 450 euro was too much for the condition.