Found another Luger I might potentially be buying. Need input.

Kohaku2416 · 03-15-2012, 10:43 PM

Hello yesterday I found a Mauser BYF 42 P.08 marked Luger it looks to be a "black widow" but was fitted with brown plastic grips seen on Krieghoff made Lugers... I want to say it was refinished because it looks LNIB as in zero wear and or rust that I could see. The bore was also very shiny with no traces or signs of pitting.. I was told by the dealer he bought 18 guns from an older gentleman because he was moving out of state.

It also comes with two mags one being a P.08 marked mag with black plastic base and the body of the mag has the "FXO" marking present, the second mag has the standard wooden bottom with a few markings that I can't recall. He also has a holster that was also purchased with the Luger but I believe it's a P.38 holster given it is marked as such on the back.. also someone's name has been carved inside the flap of the holster..

Well the listed price is $799 before tax but I could possibly walk out the door with it for $750 because Ive done quite a bit of business as said shop. He admits to know nothing about Lugers and thinks it's a Russian capture but there are no markings to label it as such. Also all the serial numbers are matching.

So my question is does this sound like a good deal and does this sound like a R/C to anyone?

He is also trying to sell a 1943 Mauser P38 for around $599 before tax if anyone cares to chime in if that's a good deal or not.

alanint · 03-15-2012, 10:48 PM

Grab it at that price, IF the grips look like TRUE Kreighoff grips and not VoPo or Russian Capture grips.

There is a genuine 42 variation that was issued with Krieghoff grips, (see Jan Still's recent post) and the grips alone are worth almost half of the asking price, if original.

DavidJayUden · 03-15-2012, 10:50 PM

Briefly reading over your note I want to say run, don't walk, back to the shop and buy it. The mags. and holster will cover your investment, and the gun sounds honest. This is the kind of deal that we all dream of.
Are there any X's over the numbers?
Of course it would be nice to see pictures before going too far out on the limb.
dju

Kohaku2416 · 03-15-2012, 10:58 PM

No there are no x's of any kind on the numbers and no import marks, the serials all match to every part and the only other marking beside the serial numbers is the proof marks, the eagle, swastikas, ect ect and of course the P.O8 marking itself. I wanna say the grips are legit they don't look like repros and there is no chip around the safety.

As for being VOPO's there is nothing on the grip they look just like these grips

Edward Tinker · 03-15-2012, 11:12 PM

well, any nice looking P08 is worth $600, and easily $700 for a nice, unmessed looking one. The P38 holster, say $75 for one that has been cut down or messed with, $125-$200 for one in good shape, the wood mag is worth $50-$135, as with all things, it depends on originality and condition

Ed

Norme · 03-15-2012, 11:17 PM

Hi Brandon, The pictures you have posted are of the new production Krieghoff that retails for about $18,000.00. If this is the gun that is being offered to you, something is very wrong. Regards, Norm

Kohaku2416 · 03-15-2012, 11:19 PM

I posted the pic as a reference that the grips on the Krieghoff in the pic above is the same grips I saw on the Luger at the gun shop I was at. Because the poster above asked if it was a VOPO.

padredan · 03-15-2012, 11:29 PM

It's a good deal, go for it. One thing i have found out about quality firearms as i have gotten older, they are money in the bank. In fact better in most cases, cd's earn next to nothing, but lugers like other quality firearms just keep going up. Where i live lugers bring a premuim and you find a good one you best buy it, it will not be around for long. You can allways make more money, you can't do that with lugers.

alanint · 03-16-2012, 06:47 AM

If the grips look like your photo then they are most likely real, (I don't recall anybody reproducing anything but Black Bakelite grips).

You cannot go wrong buying this gun!!

Kohaku2416 · 03-16-2012, 12:59 PM

thanks for the input guys im going back today to try and buy it!

Kohaku2416 · 03-16-2012, 10:45 PM

Well here she is I ended up walking out the door with it for $700 for the gun, both mags, and holster. I also went ahead and picked up a repro mag to use for shooting for like $30, So I have $730 in it.

alanint · 03-16-2012, 11:02 PM

What's a nice way of saying "I hate You!!"?

Unbelievable score for the price....Congratulations!!

Please send closeups as soon as you can!

padredan · 03-16-2012, 11:17 PM

nice one congrats

Balder · 03-17-2012, 04:34 AM

Wow... congratulations on a great find!

Balder

alvin · 03-17-2012, 08:51 AM

Great buy! This gun looks super nice. The cost is unbelievable!

Kohaku2416 · 03-17-2012, 12:52 PM

Thanks guys! here are some pics of the holster it came with and the spare mag.. I am pretty sure the holster is a P.38 holster..but I don't know if it's reproduction or not......

SteveM · 03-17-2012, 02:23 PM

Nice Luger, I also have a BYF42 with the Krieghoff grips. What is the suffix letter of the serial number?

Thanks

Kohaku2416 · 03-17-2012, 03:12 PM

I am not sure what the suffix is, where do I look for it? I mean under the serial number at the front it has something that looks like an "L" could that be it? Also here are some pics of the original mags.

one is marked P.08 with "FXO" along with some squiggly looking lines with the number 37 underneath that. The second mag has a wooden bottom with the numbers 1516 along with some little squiggly lines that i have no clue what they are lol.....

Sorry for it being blurry..couldn't get the camera to focus.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-17-2012, 03:15 PM

Brandon, Your P-38 holster looks good to me..

I have a very nice WW2 period Eagle 655 magazine that would fit with your pistol instead of the wood bottom one you have. Would you be interested in a trade?
Jerry

Kohaku2416 · 03-17-2012, 03:26 PM

Possibly... is that the mag with the aluminum base to it?

03-15-2012, 10:43 PM	#1
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Found another Luger I might potentially be buying. Need input. Hello yesterday I found a Mauser BYF 42 P.08 marked Luger it looks to be a "black widow" but was fitted with brown plastic grips seen on Krieghoff made Lugers... I want to say it was refinished because it looks LNIB as in zero wear and or rust that I could see. The bore was also very shiny with no traces or signs of pitting.. I was told by the dealer he bought 18 guns from an older gentleman because he was moving out of state. It also comes with two mags one being a P.08 marked mag with black plastic base and the body of the mag has the "FXO" marking present, the second mag has the standard wooden bottom with a few markings that I can't recall. He also has a holster that was also purchased with the Luger but I believe it's a P.38 holster given it is marked as such on the back.. also someone's name has been carved inside the flap of the holster.. Well the listed price is $799 before tax but I could possibly walk out the door with it for $750 because Ive done quite a bit of business as said shop. He admits to know nothing about Lugers and thinks it's a Russian capture but there are no markings to label it as such. Also all the serial numbers are matching. So my question is does this sound like a good deal and does this sound like a R/C to anyone? He is also trying to sell a 1943 Mauser P38 for around $599 before tax if anyone cares to chime in if that's a good deal or not.

03-15-2012, 11:12 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	well, any nice looking P08 is worth $600, and easily $700 for a nice, unmessed looking one. The P38 holster, say $75 for one that has been cut down or messed with, $125-$200 for one in good shape, the wood mag is worth $50-$135, as with all things, it depends on originality and condition Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-15-2012, 11:29 PM	#8
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	It's a good deal, go for it. One thing i have found out about quality firearms as i have gotten older, they are money in the bank. In fact better in most cases, cd's earn next to nothing, but lugers like other quality firearms just keep going up. Where i live lugers bring a premuim and you find a good one you best buy it, it will not be around for long. You can allways make more money, you can't do that with lugers. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

03-16-2012, 10:45 PM	#11
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Well here she is I ended up walking out the door with it for $700 for the gun, both mags, and holster. I also went ahead and picked up a repro mag to use for shooting for like $30, So I have $730 in it. Last edited by Kohaku2416; 03-17-2012 at 03:13 PM.

03-16-2012, 11:17 PM	#13
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	nice one congrats __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

03-15-2012, 10:48 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Grab it at that price, IF the grips look like TRUE Kreighoff grips and not VoPo or Russian Capture grips. There is a genuine 42 variation that was issued with Krieghoff grips, (see Jan Still's recent post) and the grips alone are worth almost half of the asking price, if original.

03-15-2012, 10:50 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Briefly reading over your note I want to say run, don't walk, back to the shop and buy it. The mags. and holster will cover your investment, and the gun sounds honest. This is the kind of deal that we all dream of. Are there any X's over the numbers? Of course it would be nice to see pictures before going too far out on the limb. dju

03-15-2012, 10:58 PM	#4
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	No there are no x's of any kind on the numbers and no import marks, the serials all match to every part and the only other marking beside the serial numbers is the proof marks, the eagle, swastikas, ect ect and of course the P.O8 marking itself. I wanna say the grips are legit they don't look like repros and there is no chip around the safety. As for being VOPO's there is nothing on the grip they look just like these grips

03-15-2012, 11:17 PM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Brandon, The pictures you have posted are of the new production Krieghoff that retails for about $18,000.00. If this is the gun that is being offered to you, something is very wrong. Regards, Norm

03-15-2012, 11:19 PM	#7
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	I posted the pic as a reference that the grips on the Krieghoff in the pic above is the same grips I saw on the Luger at the gun shop I was at. Because the poster above asked if it was a VOPO.

03-16-2012, 06:47 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	If the grips look like your photo then they are most likely real, (I don't recall anybody reproducing anything but Black Bakelite grips). You cannot go wrong buying this gun!!

03-16-2012, 12:59 PM	#10
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	thanks for the input guys im going back today to try and buy it!

03-16-2012, 11:02 PM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	What's a nice way of saying "I hate You!!"? Unbelievable score for the price....Congratulations!! Please send closeups as soon as you can!

03-17-2012, 04:34 AM	#14
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	Wow... congratulations on a great find! Balder

03-17-2012, 08:51 AM	#15
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Great buy! This gun looks super nice. The cost is unbelievable!

03-17-2012, 12:52 PM	#16
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks guys! here are some pics of the holster it came with and the spare mag.. I am pretty sure the holster is a P.38 holster..but I don't know if it's reproduction or not......

03-17-2012, 02:23 PM	#17
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Nice Luger, I also have a BYF42 with the Krieghoff grips. What is the suffix letter of the serial number? Thanks

03-17-2012, 03:12 PM	#18
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	I am not sure what the suffix is, where do I look for it? I mean under the serial number at the front it has something that looks like an "L" could that be it? Also here are some pics of the original mags. one is marked P.08 with "FXO" along with some squiggly looking lines with the number 37 underneath that. The second mag has a wooden bottom with the numbers 1516 along with some little squiggly lines that i have no clue what they are lol..... Sorry for it being blurry..couldn't get the camera to focus.

03-17-2012, 03:15 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Brandon, Your P-38 holster looks good to me.. I have a very nice WW2 period Eagle 655 magazine that would fit with your pistol instead of the wood bottom one you have. Would you be interested in a trade? Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-17-2012, 03:26 PM	#20
Kohaku2416 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Muncie Indiana Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Possibly... is that the mag with the aluminum base to it?