Early DWM 30 Cal with Flip up sight

Jon Walker · 05-04-2012, 08:30 PM

I have an early DWM 30 Cal Luger with a very unusual flip sight that flips forward and back with site notches on both sides. I have seen the navy flip sights and its not like them - totally different design. Wondering if anyones seen anything like this. Can post pics if I can figure out how.

ithacaartist · 05-04-2012, 08:58 PM

Hi Jon,

First, welcome to the forum.

Second, check out the stickies in the New Collectors' section. The answer to your question is right there!

Third, I'm thinking it's unlikely that what you're describing is anything produced by any manufacturer of original Lugers. Final judgment, however, will be established after the more experienced members check it out. Remember Lugers' reputation, that they are often more accurate than the people using them can take advantage of, and they are no stranger to competitive shooting--which may be the reason your sight was modified. Or perhaps for an owner who simply liked to shoot it and wanted different sights. The pics are necessary for any further interpretation/assessment.

DP

sheepherder · 05-04-2012, 08:59 PM

Quick & dirty pic posting tut...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=23172

Kitkat041836 · 05-04-2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Walker

I have an early DWM 30 Cal Luger with a very unusual flip sight that flips forward and back with site notches on both sides. I have seen the navy flip sights and its not like them - totally different design. Wondering if anyones seen anything like this. Can post pics if I can figure out how.

Hi Jon Walker
If you send me some pictures I will try to post them for you.
My E-Mail is [email protected].
Thanks George

drbuster · 05-05-2012, 12:23 PM

What is the barrel length? If 7 inches this may be something rare and desirable...like from Chile!

Ron Wood · 05-05-2012, 02:38 PM

Sounds like Jon is describing "express sights" rather than a tangent rear sight (navy type) as found on some of the Chilean guns. The express sights are usually found on rifles. Hope we can see some photos soon!

lugerholsterrepair · 05-05-2012, 03:32 PM

Hope we can see some photos soon!

Hope springs eternal! Seems as tho Jon has left the building?

Ron Smith · 05-05-2012, 04:49 PM

Jon posted the photos in his profile album.

sheepherder · 05-05-2012, 06:31 PM

OK!...So...What is it???

Ron Wood · 05-05-2012, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

OK!...So...What is it???

It is a really nice looking Luger. It appears to be a 1908 version that some really talented gunsmith installed a slick flip-flop sight. It isn't an express sight but a totally original concept. I can't imagine needing a variable sight on a short barreled gun, but obviously someone thought it necessary. It is a neat example of ingenuity and workmanship.

sheepherder · 06-24-2012, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

It is a really nice looking Luger. It appears to be a 1908 version that some really talented gunsmith installed a slick flip-flop sight. It isn't an express sight but a totally original concept. I can't imagine needing a variable sight on a short barreled gun, but obviously someone thought it necessary. It is a neat example of ingenuity and workmanship.

As Steinar pointed out, no stock lug...and no conventional rear sight...and 30 caliber...I can't see if it has an 'artillery notch'...

The pics pop up in Random Album Pictures, so I thought I'd re-open this thread...Jon has only one thread and only one post...The one above...

I guess we disappointed him...

alanint · 05-05-2012, 07:21 PM

This is a decent gunsmith's clever contraption. Is the sight spring loaded to stay in place or does it rely on its mass?

Karl · 05-05-2012, 08:07 PM

I have the same question as Doug. What keeps it from flipping or flopping when the toggle cycles?
KFS

Steinar · 05-06-2012, 02:33 PM

That's really neat. Never a flip up sight like that..
Perhaps a target shooter made one for 6 o`clock hold and one for centre of target.

I notice the Luger is without stock lug, does it have the 'hold open' function after last round is fired?

Lugerdoc · 06-26-2012, 10:54 AM

I too have seen several rebarrelled LPO8 with new 4" barrels but they still had the orig "sightless" LPO8 rear link. This may have been one gunsmith's solution to that problem. TH

05-04-2012, 08:30 PM	#1
Jon Walker New User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Early DWM 30 Cal with Flip up sight I have an early DWM 30 Cal Luger with a very unusual flip sight that flips forward and back with site notches on both sides. I have seen the navy flip sights and its not like them - totally different design. Wondering if anyones seen anything like this. Can post pics if I can figure out how.

05-04-2012, 08:59 PM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Quick & dirty pic posting tut... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=23172 __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-05-2012, 02:38 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Sounds like Jon is describing "express sights" rather than a tangent rear sight (navy type) as found on some of the Chilean guns. The express sights are usually found on rifles. Hope we can see some photos soon! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-05-2012, 03:32 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Hope we can see some photos soon! Hope springs eternal! Seems as tho Jon has left the building? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-05-2012, 04:49 PM	#8
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jon posted the photos in his profile album. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-04-2012, 08:58 PM	#2
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Hi Jon, First, welcome to the forum. Second, check out the stickies in the New Collectors' section. The answer to your question is right there! Third, I'm thinking it's unlikely that what you're describing is anything produced by any manufacturer of original Lugers. Final judgment, however, will be established after the more experienced members check it out. Remember Lugers' reputation, that they are often more accurate than the people using them can take advantage of, and they are no stranger to competitive shooting--which may be the reason your sight was modified. Or perhaps for an owner who simply liked to shoot it and wanted different sights. The pics are necessary for any further interpretation/assessment. DP

05-05-2012, 12:23 PM	#5
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	What is the barrel length? If 7 inches this may be something rare and desirable...like from Chile!

05-05-2012, 06:31 PM	#9
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	OK!...So...What is it??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-05-2012, 07:21 PM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	This is a decent gunsmith's clever contraption. Is the sight spring loaded to stay in place or does it rely on its mass?

05-05-2012, 08:07 PM	#13
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 522 Thanks: 0 Thanked 271 Times in 118 Posts	I have the same question as Doug. What keeps it from flipping or flopping when the toggle cycles? KFS

05-06-2012, 02:33 PM	#14
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	That's really neat. Never a flip up sight like that.. Perhaps a target shooter made one for 6 o`clock hold and one for centre of target. I notice the Luger is without stock lug, does it have the 'hold open' function after last round is fired? __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

06-26-2012, 10:54 AM	#15
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I too have seen several rebarrelled LPO8 with new 4" barrels but they still had the orig "sightless" LPO8 rear link. This may have been one gunsmith's solution to that problem. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]