.38 Luger

glock30 · 05-13-2012, 02:48 PM

How many of these did they make this mistake on Vlim?

lugerholsterrepair · 05-13-2012, 03:54 PM

not only that but what is 9MM paraod?

glock30 · 05-13-2012, 04:00 PM

Only Vlim knows. It is on this page here, obviously a very early example http://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-...-mausers-luger
I thought it was an honest thing at first being a 9mm is .355 and a .38 is really .357 so I thought it was real thing, like a Euro way of saying 9mm in English. But it was a mistake.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-13-2012, 04:08 PM

No doubt about it..a rare variation!

Vlim · 05-13-2012, 06:31 PM

It is a geniune mistake (and a bit of a thickheaded one, you'd suspect that Mauser knew what a 9mm looked like...). The photo shows one of the 'mock up' pistols that were actually Swiss 06/29 pistols, dressed up to look like Mauser Parabellums, one being converted to 9mm. Only 3 were reworked for press presentation purposes, one is currently in the hands of a US collector. These 3 were numbered as 10.00.10, 10.00.11 and 10.00.12. The last one was originally Swiss pistol P78220.

Apart from those 'reworked' Swiss pistols, the Mauser R&D departement built a few Swiss style pistols by hand from the drawings Mauser acquired.

Shown here is a remark on the original blueprint that was sent to Sam Cummings of Interarms for approval. He pointed out the mistake in caliber designation, but missed the other one. Ever heard of the caliber '.22 para' ?

Ron Wood · 05-13-2012, 07:18 PM

Wow, what a goof! The "9mmod. 38 Luger" is actually "9mm od. 38 Luger" (note the space beteen mm and od.) The od. is an abbrevialtion for "oder" or "or" in English. I will go along with thickheaded...you have to wonder what dimwit at Mauser thought "38" was the proper equivalent.

alanint · 05-13-2012, 08:36 PM

Interesting, considering WW2 MP40 magazines use "U" as a designation for "or". MP40 magazines are marked;

"MP38 U MP40"

sheepherder · 05-13-2012, 08:48 PM

I'm reading the article and noticed something familiar...Someone here posted pics/link to a Luger with a lathe-turned chamber area and extended barrel flange like the one shown in the article (that article pic is below)...

Anybody recall the thread???

Ron Wood · 05-13-2012, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

Interesting, considering WW2 MP40 magazines use "U" as a designation for "or". MP40 magazines are marked;

"MP38 U MP40"

I think the "U" is an abbreviation for "und" meaning "and"...it works for both.

Sieger · 05-14-2012, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Wow, what a goof! The "9mmod. 38 Luger" is actually "9mm od. 38 Luger" (note the space beteen mm and od.) The od. is an abbrevialtion for "oder" or "or" in English. I will go along with thickheaded...you have to wonder what dimwit at Mauser thought "38" was the proper equivalent.

Hi:

I agree with the "dimwit" label, though not for this reason.

The dimwit label would apply to the marketing team that thought Swiss style Lugers would sell in the US in the first place!!!!

".38 Luger" was a standard commercial designation for the standard 9mm Parabellum, as we currently know and love it, here in the U.S.

Remington, and I believe Winchester, labeled and headstamped ".38 Luger" for commercial sale, right here in the United States, during the 1920s and 1930s.

Sieger

JuergenG · 05-14-2012, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

I think the "U" is an abbreviation for "und" meaning "and"...it works for both.

You are absolutely right on both.

Ron Smith · 05-14-2012, 05:01 PM

Just a WAG , I think "od" might be "oder" German for "or" abbreviated. "9mm Para "or" 38 Luger

Vlim · 05-14-2012, 05:33 PM

And that is correct also

05-13-2012, 02:48 PM	#1
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05-13-2012, 04:08 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	No doubt about it..a rare variation! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-13-2012, 06:31 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	It is a geniune mistake (and a bit of a thickheaded one, you'd suspect that Mauser knew what a 9mm looked like...). The photo shows one of the 'mock up' pistols that were actually Swiss 06/29 pistols, dressed up to look like Mauser Parabellums, one being converted to 9mm. Only 3 were reworked for press presentation purposes, one is currently in the hands of a US collector. These 3 were numbered as 10.00.10, 10.00.11 and 10.00.12. The last one was originally Swiss pistol P78220. Apart from those 'reworked' Swiss pistols, the Mauser R&D departement built a few Swiss style pistols by hand from the drawings Mauser acquired. Shown here is a remark on the original blueprint that was sent to Sam Cummings of Interarms for approval. He pointed out the mistake in caliber designation, but missed the other one. Ever heard of the caliber '.22 para' ? Attached Thumbnails

05-13-2012, 07:18 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Wow, what a goof! The "9mmod. 38 Luger" is actually "9mm od. 38 Luger" (note the space beteen mm and od.) The od. is an abbrevialtion for "oder" or "or" in English. I will go along with thickheaded...you have to wonder what dimwit at Mauser thought "38" was the proper equivalent. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-13-2012, 04:00 PM	#3
glock30 User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Obama LAND Posts: 206 Thanks: 18 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Only Vlim knows. It is on this page here, obviously a very early example http://www.forgottenweapons.com/the-...-mausers-luger I thought it was an honest thing at first being a 9mm is .355 and a .38 is really .357 so I thought it was real thing, like a Euro way of saying 9mm in English. But it was a mistake.

05-13-2012, 08:36 PM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Interesting, considering WW2 MP40 magazines use "U" as a designation for "or". MP40 magazines are marked; "MP38 U MP40"

05-13-2012, 08:48 PM	#8
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	I'm reading the article and noticed something familiar...Someone here posted pics/link to a Luger with a lathe-turned chamber area and extended barrel flange like the one shown in the article (that article pic is below)... Anybody recall the thread??? Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-14-2012, 05:01 PM	#12
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Just a WAG , I think "od" might be "oder" German for "or" abbreviated. "9mm Para "or" 38 Luger __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

05-14-2012, 05:33 PM	#13
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	And that is correct also