Is this a navy luger?

coosbaycreep · 08-18-2012, 01:02 PM

I've tried researching this luger a lot lately because I was trying to sell it for my dad (I went ahead and got it for myself instead since $650 lugers don't come up for sale in my area very often, plus it will stay in the family awhile longer), but the more research I do, the more confused I am about this gun.

here's a list of the visible markings:
-S/42 on top of toggle
-what looks like a crown with a capital N below it (should be the German "Nitro" commercial proof according to this website) on left side of receiver near where the barrel attaches to receiver
-proof mark on right side of receiver (opposite of the crown proof) that looks like an eagle with some letters or numbers below it. The first letter is a W, but I can't make out the rest of them. It looks like proof number 37 (Waffen Amt (Ordinance Department) proof. Found on receivers of 1930-1933 Mauser and Simson reworks).
-has another small proof that looks like an eagle on left side in front of the toggle
-has a cursive, lower case l below serial number below barrel near the trigger guard
-serial #9475 below barrel
-75 on back of toggle
-75 on top of toggle behind S/42
-takedown lever looks like it originally was stamped 85, but there's a larger 7 partially covering the 8
-9475 on bottom of the mag

From reading on here and other places online, I know it's a commercial luger and it was made by mauser. The barrel is about 5.5" long, which makes me think it's a navy luger, but the rear sights are fixed on mine, unlike all the navy lugers I've seen online.

Reading through some other posts on this forum, I seen another luger that had a numbers matching mag with the same kind of base plate mine does, and someone said it was an east german rework. So is mine the same?

Also, the fact that the takedown lever looks like it was "force matched" by stamping over the 8 with a 7 so the rest of the numbers would match makes me think maybe this is some kind of assembled parts gun or something.

Any info about it would be much appreciated.

thanks

alanint · 08-18-2012, 02:17 PM

Not a Navy, at least not the typical Navy pistol. Your pistol is a former police pistol, but much better and properly sized photos are necessary to help you more.w

sheepherder · 08-21-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by coosbaycreep

The barrel is about 5.5" long, which makes me think it's a navy luger, but the rear sights are fixed on mine, unlike all the navy lugers I've seen online.

In the past, Numrich sold ~6" barrels in both 7.65 and 9mm caliber. They were fully machined and blued. They looked very well made. I bought one of each and installed them on the two Lugers I had back then. I'm sure others did also.

I'm pretty sure Sarco has advertised them also.

sheepherder · 08-21-2012, 09:13 AM

Amateur machinists also make 6" barrels...Sometimes even mark them to the Luger/Lahti/whatever...

(44-40 Gun Blue doesn't seem to hold up too well after 30 years)...

coosbaycreep · 08-21-2012, 01:16 PM

I haven't been able to find the cord for my other camera (which still only takes slightly better pics), but here's a few more pics that might be better than the ones I already posted:

here's a link to a bunch more pics as well:http://s248.photobucket.com/albums/g...dzach82/luger/

I'd have to take the gun part again to make sure, but I'm pretty sure the bottom of the barrel on mine was marked with a 75, which matches the last two on the serial number. If it was rebarreled, it looks like it was done at the same time it was reblued/re-arsenaled.

sheepherder · 08-21-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by coosbaycreep

I'd have to take the gun part again to make sure, but I'm pretty sure the bottom of the barrel on mine was marked with a 75, which matches the last two on the serial number. If it was rebarreled, it looks like it was done at the same time it was reblued/re-arsenaled.

The barrel serial would be visible without disassembly if it were done by an arsenal/depot/refurb, and would be all numbers of the serial (but not the suffix). The number would be right at the flange, on the bottom of the barrel, above the 8,82 land diameter number.

From your PhotoBucket pics, looks like one of the Numrich barrels (which of course would have been sold by other venders as well) which is not a bad thing. I liked mine. Shot good, looked good.

mrerick · 08-21-2012, 01:21 PM

Hi Zach, it looks like you're posting thumbnails rather than full pictures to this site. Try sizing the pictures to about 1024 pixels across, and re-upload them.

Marc

coosbaycreep · 08-21-2012, 01:39 PM

I just uploaded some photos, but I think it went to an album here instead of the thread.

sheepherder · 08-21-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by coosbaycreep

I just uploaded some photos, but I think it went to an album here instead of the thread.

Yup. Close enough!

Definitely not an OEM barrel. Still nice, though.

Here's a commercial 30 cal barrel on the left; military 9mm cal barrel on the right...(Bottom of barrels)...

08-18-2012, 01:02 PM	#1
coosbaycreep User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dillard, Oregon Posts: 5 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is this a navy luger? I've tried researching this luger a lot lately because I was trying to sell it for my dad (I went ahead and got it for myself instead since $650 lugers don't come up for sale in my area very often, plus it will stay in the family awhile longer), but the more research I do, the more confused I am about this gun. here's a list of the visible markings: -S/42 on top of toggle -what looks like a crown with a capital N below it (should be the German "Nitro" commercial proof according to this website) on left side of receiver near where the barrel attaches to receiver -proof mark on right side of receiver (opposite of the crown proof) that looks like an eagle with some letters or numbers below it. The first letter is a W, but I can't make out the rest of them. It looks like proof number 37 (Waffen Amt (Ordinance Department) proof. Found on receivers of 1930-1933 Mauser and Simson reworks). -has another small proof that looks like an eagle on left side in front of the toggle -has a cursive, lower case l below serial number below barrel near the trigger guard -serial #9475 below barrel -75 on back of toggle -75 on top of toggle behind S/42 -takedown lever looks like it originally was stamped 85, but there's a larger 7 partially covering the 8 -9475 on bottom of the mag From reading on here and other places online, I know it's a commercial luger and it was made by mauser. The barrel is about 5.5" long, which makes me think it's a navy luger, but the rear sights are fixed on mine, unlike all the navy lugers I've seen online. Reading through some other posts on this forum, I seen another luger that had a numbers matching mag with the same kind of base plate mine does, and someone said it was an east german rework. So is mine the same? Also, the fact that the takedown lever looks like it was "force matched" by stamping over the 8 with a 7 so the rest of the numbers would match makes me think maybe this is some kind of assembled parts gun or something. Any info about it would be much appreciated. thanks

08-21-2012, 09:13 AM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Amateur machinists also make 6" barrels...Sometimes even mark them to the Luger/Lahti/whatever... (44-40 Gun Blue doesn't seem to hold up too well after 30 years)... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

08-21-2012, 01:21 PM	#7
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hi Zach, it looks like you're posting thumbnails rather than full pictures to this site. Try sizing the pictures to about 1024 pixels across, and re-upload them. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

08-18-2012, 02:17 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Not a Navy, at least not the typical Navy pistol. Your pistol is a former police pistol, but much better and properly sized photos are necessary to help you more.w

08-21-2012, 01:16 PM	#5
coosbaycreep User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dillard, Oregon Posts: 5 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I haven't been able to find the cord for my other camera (which still only takes slightly better pics), but here's a few more pics that might be better than the ones I already posted: here's a link to a bunch more pics as well:http://s248.photobucket.com/albums/g...dzach82/luger/ I'd have to take the gun part again to make sure, but I'm pretty sure the bottom of the barrel on mine was marked with a 75, which matches the last two on the serial number. If it was rebarreled, it looks like it was done at the same time it was reblued/re-arsenaled.

08-21-2012, 01:39 PM	#8
coosbaycreep User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dillard, Oregon Posts: 5 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just uploaded some photos, but I think it went to an album here instead of the thread.