A Hitler Youth 22 Trainer

cirelaw · 10-12-2012, 11:22 AM

Years ago I had 2 from an estate. The other one had a Berlin Olgee scope and initials 'HL' 'RZM' This insignia was remove post war for obvious reasons!

sheepherder · 10-12-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

... and initials 'HL' 'RZM' This insignia was remove post war for obvious reasons!

...???...What were the obvious reasons???...

(What do the initials stand for?)

cirelaw · 10-12-2012, 05:55 PM

In Mauser Small Bores a book which shows the Mausers used by the Hitler Youth for training. I bought it before my stroke and my memory is cloudy.Clearly there was something removed. The remaining two screw are still seated. The stolem ryfle had an isigna to the best of my memory (RZM-HY). It had a beautiful 'Olgee' Berlin scope and mount. You know more about this suject than I! I'm going sometime to find a proper scope!!

rolandtg · 10-12-2012, 07:41 PM

That patch on the stock is where the original sling was attached.
The stock has been "sporterized". Originally it would have had a full stock like a regular K98.
I have one similar that was made by Simpson.
Some of these could have been "bring backs" but most in this country were imported post-war and sold as sporting rifles.
Here's a shot of mine and a shot of an unaltered Simpson example.
Your Walther originally looked similar, with the full stock.
Imho, these "sportmodells" are about the finest example of a single-shot .22 rifle as you'll find.

cirelaw · 10-12-2012, 08:21 PM

Thank You, I will post some tommorow!

cirelaw · 10-13-2012, 11:05 AM

Can you tell me anything about these please?

alanint · 10-13-2012, 11:51 AM

The second rifle is a post WW2 Yugoslav M48 rifle, made on the same tooling the Germans left behind at the end of the war. The main difference from the German K98 is the full length upper wood handgaurd, which envelops the rear sight. The sling is correct with the characteristic multiple holes.

cirelaw · 10-13-2012, 12:11 PM

Heres one with strange letters that I can't find in my book!

cirelaw · 10-13-2012, 12:46 PM

Thank You, You always impress me!

tudorbug · 10-14-2012, 12:17 PM

Cirelaw, does you Walther Sprotmodell have rails on the receiver for a scope? If it does, I may have a scope and mounts if you're interested.

David

cirelaw · 10-14-2012, 12:22 PM

Yes I owned 2, The other connected on the rail and had a beautiful 'Olgee, Berlin scope. One of my prior sold called friend stole the rifle while in my coma in Costa Roca!!! Please send me a PM Tks Eric cirelaw is Eric backwards and 'law'

10-12-2012, 11:22 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A Hitler Youth 22 Trainer Years ago I had 2 from an estate. The other one had a Berlin Olgee scope and initials 'HL' 'RZM' This insignia was remove post war for obvious reasons! Attached Thumbnails

10-12-2012, 05:55 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	In Mauser Small Bores a book which shows the Mausers used by the Hitler Youth for training. I bought it before my stroke and my memory is cloudy.Clearly there was something removed. The remaining two screw are still seated. The stolem ryfle had an isigna to the best of my memory (RZM-HY). It had a beautiful 'Olgee' Berlin scope and mount. You know more about this suject than I! I'm going sometime to find a proper scope!! Attached Thumbnails

10-12-2012, 07:41 PM	#4
rolandtg User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 477 Thanks: 380 Thanked 258 Times in 113 Posts	That patch on the stock is where the original sling was attached. The stock has been "sporterized". Originally it would have had a full stock like a regular K98. I have one similar that was made by Simpson. Some of these could have been "bring backs" but most in this country were imported post-war and sold as sporting rifles. Here's a shot of mine and a shot of an unaltered Simpson example. Your Walther originally looked similar, with the full stock. Imho, these "sportmodells" are about the finest example of a single-shot .22 rifle as you'll find. Attached Thumbnails

10-12-2012, 08:21 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You, I will post some tommorow! Attached Thumbnails

10-13-2012, 11:05 AM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Can you tell me anything about these please? Attached Thumbnails

10-13-2012, 11:51 AM	#7
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The second rifle is a post WW2 Yugoslav M48 rifle, made on the same tooling the Germans left behind at the end of the war. The main difference from the German K98 is the full length upper wood handgaurd, which envelops the rear sight. The sling is correct with the characteristic multiple holes.

10-13-2012, 12:11 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Heres one with strange letters that I can't find in my book! Attached Thumbnails

10-13-2012, 12:46 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You, You always impress me!

10-14-2012, 12:17 PM	#10
tudorbug Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 387 Thanks: 0 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts	Cirelaw, does you Walther Sprotmodell have rails on the receiver for a scope? If it does, I may have a scope and mounts if you're interested. David

10-14-2012, 12:22 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Yes I owned 2, The other connected on the rail and had a beautiful 'Olgee, Berlin scope. One of my prior sold called friend stole the rifle while in my coma in Costa Roca!!! Please send me a PM Tks Eric cirelaw is Eric backwards and 'law'