'Stand Your Ground Law'

cirelaw · 07-16-2013, 11:17 AM

This is the present law in Florida and several states. I am posting its meaning its definition at present! ~~Eric http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

lew1 · 07-16-2013, 01:28 PM

The law is the law.

However, as a practical matter, if outside of your house, it is better to use discretion - if possible - instead of valor.

cirelaw · 07-16-2013, 01:42 PM

There is an effort to repeal it as vague and thus unconstitutional!!!

alanint · 07-16-2013, 01:43 PM

The frustrating thing is that this recent case had NOTHING to do with the "Stand Your Ground" law. It is being tried as a simple "self defense" case. This will of course, never stops the libs from trying to leverage any case to eliminate this law, since they feel it directly affects a certain group of people.

Jack Lawman · 07-16-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lew1

However, as a practical matter, if outside of your house, it is better to use discretion - if possible - instead of valor.

That is some very sage advice...

Jack

cirelaw · 07-16-2013, 01:46 PM

Some thing has to happen nationally or we will have 50 seperate opinions!

cirelaw · 07-16-2013, 02:17 PM

Here is Florida' law!!http://floridastandyourground.org/

NoncomRetired · 07-16-2013, 02:54 PM

We do have an excellent Castle/Stand Your Ground Law in Illinois and there is also the clause, the person standing their ground can not be sued.

mrerick · 07-16-2013, 04:36 PM

In North Caroline, we have had "no duty to retreat" for quite a while.

GRNC helped put Castle Doctrine in place in 2011. This relieves you of civil liability if you comply with all the law's requirements.

Our HB.650 of 2011 brought this into law. It's worth taking a look at if your state does not have civil liability relief in place.

We're in the middle of another set of improvements right now. HB.937 of 2013. This one will allow CCH holders to keep handguns in their vehicles on school campuses, and repeal the Jim Crow era Sheriff administered pistol permit system. It's close to final passage both houses now, and in conference between them as I write this.

Marc

rhuff · 07-16-2013, 05:29 PM

Az. currently, also, has a stand your ground law. This state, like many others, understands the reality of our current state of affairs. Calling 911 just won't hack it.

lew1 · 07-16-2013, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Some thing has to happen nationally or we will have 50 seperate opinions!

Well, we have a national union formed by the states. The national government has only certain rights/powers given to it by the Constitution. Please refer to the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.

NoncomRetired · 07-16-2013, 07:32 PM

In my opinion, there has been more done these past five years to divide any Union this country once had than anytime before and I have no idea what it will be like at the end of the next three years. One thing for sure, IMO, it will take many many years to repair the damage done. Hope and Change actually was Divide and Conquer................

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Originally Posted by lew1

Well, we have a national union formed by the states. .

Kitkat041836 · 07-16-2013, 07:37 PM

If I try to retreat I do not want to be shot in the back.I will stand my ground no matter what the law is.
Thanks George

minigun · 07-16-2013, 11:28 PM

Probably for a while, everyone needs to carry a nice 12ga shotgun in their vehicle. I sort of remember where one would have come in good use against some gangsters that drug a truck driver out of his vehicle, beat him, then threw a huge brick at his head, wounding him for life. I've always wondered what would have happened if he had had a 12ga and was able to use it. He'd probably be the one in trouble, but at least he'd be less hurt. I think in every State, a 12ga shotgun is legal and more effective than most firearms in a bad situation.

ithacaartist · 07-17-2013, 12:50 AM

Aah, in New York State, it's legal to carry around a shotgun in one's vehicle. It must , however, be unloaded. So, one would need to do like Barney Fife and his "bullet", and carry a shotgun shell or two in the shirt pocket--just in case.

alanint · 07-17-2013, 06:17 AM

If you have to have an unloaded shotgun in your car. Buy one of those Russian magazine fed models. That's as quick as you are ever going to get a shotgun loaded.

NoncomRetired · 07-17-2013, 10:29 AM

With all that has happened and will continue to happen across our nation, the only protection a law abiding citizen has to defend himself, herself, their family and property is the....stand your ground laws the 2nd Amendment, without those, the law abiding citizen has no chance and they become sheeples............IMO.

lew1 · 07-17-2013, 12:34 PM

Well, Kentucky always has had the concept of self defense. Not sure of how it is in Western Kentucky, but in Eastern Kentucky, the castle doctrine does not add anything.

For example, if you drove into my mother-in-law's yard after dark, she took her shotgun and let off at the car. Whenever we were going to be late in getting there, we always called to let her know.

If you tried to walk into the yard from the road, the dogs would always alert her. (The dogs always liked my wife. One day I was rough housing with my wife and one of the dogs started growling. I stopped.)

MikeP · 07-17-2013, 12:57 PM

1st time I heard of a stand your ground law in Illinois, but I'm only 66.
I do know if you shoot somebody he just about has to be in your bed and better have an ax or a gun in his cold dead hand.
We are just now getting a CCW law which might start in actual use in about a year.

We must be aware that though there have been some firearm law successes lately, that the antis will never let up.
They will continue to come from every angle and crack they can find.
Facts and statistics mean nothing to them.

We just saw what some fool wannabee has caused and that will be ringing a long time.

I just read another thread where another idiot thought a badge for CCW would be a good idea.
2nd time I have seen that. Both got roundly pummelled.

cirelaw · 07-17-2013, 01:38 PM

Home Invasion for real. Years ago in the middle of the night we awoken by a masked man pointing his gun directly at us. One kicked our front door in and the other stood at the base of our bed. He had came through the bathroom window. He grabbed Debbys' handbag! We heard shooting in the living room as my son in law tackled the other! Kenny grabed the gun and returned fire as the 2 escaped with nothing dropping Debbys bag in our driveway! Lesson learned, Keep your firearms within reach of any emergency or their worthless~~~~Eric

07-16-2013, 11:17 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	'Stand Your Ground Law' This is the present law in Florida and several states. I am posting its meaning its definition at present! ~~Eric http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

07-16-2013, 01:28 PM	#2
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	The law is the law. However, as a practical matter, if outside of your house, it is better to use discretion - if possible - instead of valor. __________________ charlie

07-16-2013, 04:36 PM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	In North Caroline, we have had "no duty to retreat" for quite a while. GRNC helped put Castle Doctrine in place in 2011. This relieves you of civil liability if you comply with all the law's requirements. Our HB.650 of 2011 brought this into law. It's worth taking a look at if your state does not have civil liability relief in place. We're in the middle of another set of improvements right now. HB.937 of 2013. This one will allow CCH holders to keep handguns in their vehicles on school campuses, and repeal the Jim Crow era Sheriff administered pistol permit system. It's close to final passage both houses now, and in conference between them as I write this. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-17-2013, 12:50 AM	#15
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Aah, in New York State, it's legal to carry around a shotgun in one's vehicle. It must , however, be unloaded. So, one would need to do like Barney Fife and his "bullet", and carry a shotgun shell or two in the shirt pocket--just in case. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

07-17-2013, 12:34 PM	#18
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Well, Kentucky always has had the concept of self defense. Not sure of how it is in Western Kentucky, but in Eastern Kentucky, the castle doctrine does not add anything. For example, if you drove into my mother-in-law's yard after dark, she took her shotgun and let off at the car. Whenever we were going to be late in getting there, we always called to let her know. If you tried to walk into the yard from the road, the dogs would always alert her. (The dogs always liked my wife. One day I was rough housing with my wife and one of the dogs started growling. I stopped.) __________________ charlie

07-16-2013, 01:42 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	There is an effort to repeal it as vague and thus unconstitutional!!!

07-16-2013, 01:43 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The frustrating thing is that this recent case had NOTHING to do with the "Stand Your Ground" law. It is being tried as a simple "self defense" case. This will of course, never stops the libs from trying to leverage any case to eliminate this law, since they feel it directly affects a certain group of people.

07-16-2013, 01:46 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Some thing has to happen nationally or we will have 50 seperate opinions!

07-16-2013, 02:17 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Here is Florida' law!!http://floridastandyourground.org/

07-16-2013, 02:54 PM	#8
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	We do have an excellent Castle/Stand Your Ground Law in Illinois and there is also the clause, the person standing their ground can not be sued.

07-16-2013, 05:29 PM	#10
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	Az. currently, also, has a stand your ground law. This state, like many others, understands the reality of our current state of affairs. Calling 911 just won't hack it.

07-16-2013, 07:37 PM	#13
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	If I try to retreat I do not want to be shot in the back.I will stand my ground no matter what the law is. Thanks George

07-16-2013, 11:28 PM	#14
minigun User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 424 Thanks: 15 Thanked 19 Times in 14 Posts	Probably for a while, everyone needs to carry a nice 12ga shotgun in their vehicle. I sort of remember where one would have come in good use against some gangsters that drug a truck driver out of his vehicle, beat him, then threw a huge brick at his head, wounding him for life. I've always wondered what would have happened if he had had a 12ga and was able to use it. He'd probably be the one in trouble, but at least he'd be less hurt. I think in every State, a 12ga shotgun is legal and more effective than most firearms in a bad situation.

07-17-2013, 06:17 AM	#16
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	If you have to have an unloaded shotgun in your car. Buy one of those Russian magazine fed models. That's as quick as you are ever going to get a shotgun loaded.

07-17-2013, 10:29 AM	#17
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	With all that has happened and will continue to happen across our nation, the only protection a law abiding citizen has to defend himself, herself, their family and property is the....stand your ground laws the 2nd Amendment, without those, the law abiding citizen has no chance and they become sheeples............IMO.

07-17-2013, 12:57 PM	#19
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	1st time I heard of a stand your ground law in Illinois, but I'm only 66. I do know if you shoot somebody he just about has to be in your bed and better have an ax or a gun in his cold dead hand. We are just now getting a CCW law which might start in actual use in about a year. We must be aware that though there have been some firearm law successes lately, that the antis will never let up. They will continue to come from every angle and crack they can find. Facts and statistics mean nothing to them. We just saw what some fool wannabee has caused and that will be ringing a long time. I just read another thread where another idiot thought a badge for CCW would be a good idea. 2nd time I have seen that. Both got roundly pummelled.

07-17-2013, 01:38 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Home Invasion for real. Years ago in the middle of the night we awoken by a masked man pointing his gun directly at us. One kicked our front door in and the other stood at the base of our bed. He had came through the bathroom window. He grabbed Debbys' handbag! We heard shooting in the living room as my son in law tackled the other! Kenny grabed the gun and returned fire as the 2 escaped with nothing dropping Debbys bag in our driveway! Lesson learned, Keep your firearms within reach of any emergency or their worthless~~~~Eric