Seller claims ORIGINAL stock!

lugerholsterrepair · 09-02-2013, 12:56 PM

A horrible fake..another ePay fraud

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-German-A...item19e1853c7b

Mahogany wood, cast stock iron, holes terribly misplaced, no cartouche..on and on.
Seller says it's original..

alanint · 09-02-2013, 01:19 PM

Five Bids to date!! People simply do not research what they are attempting to purchase.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-02-2013, 01:30 PM

Went up 75 bucks since I posted! Amazing!

Maestro · 09-02-2013, 11:53 PM

in case the ad vanishes, here's some of seller's pictures

i would appreciate to know if there's something blatantly obvious that a novice can spot about this piece as being fake or reproduction

lugerholsterrepair · 09-03-2013, 12:47 AM

Darius..everything is wrong with it! Take a close look at an original Imperial Artillery stock and the differences will be striking!

Maestro · 09-03-2013, 02:37 AM

..i had a hard time finding pictures of one in posts, but came across this one that was sold on fleeBay, which appears to be very similar to the above post!

Maestro · 09-03-2013, 02:48 AM

most of the pictures i've seen the stock is attached!!

Maestro · 09-03-2013, 02:50 AM

..not sure if this one is an all original stock

Maestro · 09-03-2013, 02:56 AM

..this one has some cool markings

Ron Wood · 09-03-2013, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Maestro

..this one has some cool markings

Maestro:
It would help if you stuck to one topic in your responses. The topics you address are all over the place and it makes it difficult to address any specific inqiry.

alanint · 09-03-2013, 07:03 AM

No need to post everything you are discovering, either. Most of these variations and accessories are already familiar to the group.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-03-2013, 12:58 PM

Darius.Original German Artillery and Navy Stocks were made of a European walnut. You need to know what it looks like.
The iron is cast. Originals were machined. Subtle differences but it's all in the details you need to recognize.
Hole placement..Original German stocks had 4 holes placed correctly for the top closure and attachment stock strap. Anytime you see them placed as funky as these are you know something isn't right.
The shape of the wood..this wood is incorrectly shaped. Subtle but you can see it. There are a half dozen other little tells but once you get a good look at an original stock in your hands..they will pop out like a herpes sore on your date.

Sergio Natali · 09-03-2013, 01:06 PM

Alanint is basically right, I agree, also here in Italy many people tend to be a bit superficial and don't research enough about what they are trying to purchase.

alanint · 09-03-2013, 01:49 PM

Adding to Jerry's points, on this example, they drilled the four holes where they roughly thought they should go, but then neglected to add the single hole that holds the leather strap at the stock wrist!! There is no evidence that any leather was held snug to the wood at this point, nor any indentations, which the metal washers would have left.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Darius.Original German Artillery and Navy Stocks were made of a European walnut. You need to know what it looks like.
The iron is cast. Originals were machined. Subtle differences but it's all in the details you need to recognize.
Hole placement..Original German stocks had 4 holes placed correctly for the top closure and attachment stock strap. Anytime you see them placed as funky as these are you know something isn't right.
The shape of the wood..this wood is incorrectly shaped. Subtle but you can see it. There are a half dozen other little tells but once you get a good look at an original stock in your hands..they will pop out like a herpes sore on your date.

John Sabato · 09-03-2013, 02:22 PM

Looks like it was secretly made by inmates with wood rasps and sandpaper, nails and a hammer... definitely not original... even the Pakistani reproduction gun trade products look better by comparison...

Maestro · 09-03-2013, 02:52 PM

Thanks Jerry ... I'll try to get further details , it was difficult to find color pictures of period made stocks. . Your suggestions will help me key in on some of the basics..

lugerholsterrepair · 09-03-2013, 04:22 PM

Darius..try a search here on this forum and on Jan Stills..I KNOW there have to be some great photo's of original stocks on here somewhere!

Maybe some of the members here can help out?

John Sabato · 09-04-2013, 01:21 PM

Jerry, I would have thought that there should be an archive of good photos of many different parts. But they aren't easy to find. So to start things off, I am going to open a thread in the Artillery Forum... just for photos of Artillery Stocks... Let's see how long it takes to get a good library of photos for this accessory...

here is the link:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...872#post239872

lugerholsterrepair · 09-04-2013, 03:24 PM

John, Good idea! Thanks!

09-02-2013, 12:56 PM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Seller claims ORIGINAL stock! A horrible fake..another ePay fraud http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-German-A...item19e1853c7b Mahogany wood, cast stock iron, holes terribly misplaced, no cartouche..on and on. Seller says it's original.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-02-2013, 01:30 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Went up 75 bucks since I posted! Amazing! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-02-2013, 11:53 PM	#4
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	WW1 German Artillary Luger Shoulder Stock in case the ad vanishes, here's some of seller's pictures i would appreciate to know if there's something blatantly obvious that a novice can spot about this piece as being fake or reproduction Attached Thumbnails

09-03-2013, 12:47 AM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Darius..everything is wrong with it! Take a close look at an original Imperial Artillery stock and the differences will be striking! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-03-2013, 02:37 AM	#6
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	..i had a hard time finding pictures of one in posts, but came across this one that was sold on fleeBay, which appears to be very similar to the above post! Attached Thumbnails

09-02-2013, 01:19 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Five Bids to date!! People simply do not research what they are attempting to purchase.

09-03-2013, 02:48 AM	#7
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	most of the pictures i've seen the stock is attached!! Attached Thumbnails

09-03-2013, 02:50 AM	#8
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	..not sure if this one is an all original stock Attached Thumbnails

09-03-2013, 02:56 AM	#9
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	..this one has some cool markings Attached Thumbnails

09-03-2013, 07:03 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	No need to post everything you are discovering, either. Most of these variations and accessories are already familiar to the group.

09-03-2013, 12:58 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Darius.Original German Artillery and Navy Stocks were made of a European walnut. You need to know what it looks like. The iron is cast. Originals were machined. Subtle differences but it's all in the details you need to recognize. Hole placement..Original German stocks had 4 holes placed correctly for the top closure and attachment stock strap. Anytime you see them placed as funky as these are you know something isn't right. The shape of the wood..this wood is incorrectly shaped. Subtle but you can see it. There are a half dozen other little tells but once you get a good look at an original stock in your hands..they will pop out like a herpes sore on your date. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-03-2013, 01:06 PM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alanint is basically right, I agree, also here in Italy many people tend to be a bit superficial and don't research enough about what they are trying to purchase. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-03-2013, 02:22 PM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Looks like it was secretly made by inmates with wood rasps and sandpaper, nails and a hammer... definitely not original... even the Pakistani reproduction gun trade products look better by comparison... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-03-2013, 02:52 PM	#16
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	Thanks Jerry ... I'll try to get further details , it was difficult to find color pictures of period made stocks. . Your suggestions will help me key in on some of the basics..

09-03-2013, 04:22 PM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Darius..try a search here on this forum and on Jan Stills..I KNOW there have to be some great photo's of original stocks on here somewhere! Maybe some of the members here can help out? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-04-2013, 01:21 PM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Jerry, I would have thought that there should be an archive of good photos of many different parts. But they aren't easy to find. So to start things off, I am going to open a thread in the Artillery Forum... just for photos of Artillery Stocks... Let's see how long it takes to get a good library of photos for this accessory... here is the link: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...872#post239872 __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-04-2013, 03:24 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	John, Good idea! Thanks! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."