Paint thinner

hayhugh · 12-17-2013, 03:24 PM

Will paint thinner or acetone hurt bluing on gun??

Ron Wood · 12-17-2013, 03:32 PM

No. I have used both. Just don't use paint remover!

hayhugh · 12-17-2013, 04:48 PM

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Thanks Ron, I am having difficulty inserting and removing magazines in my Erfurt artillery pistol and have used some DYKEM bluing to highlight the high spots in the lower end. I am getting close but still not where the magazine will just fall out when magazine release button is depressed, still need two hands. As I file away the thought of removing the bluing keeps coming to mind.

DavidJayUden · 12-17-2013, 04:55 PM

Are you filing on the magazines or on the frame?
dju

lugerholsterrepair · 12-17-2013, 05:27 PM

David..sounds like the frame!

hayhugh · 12-17-2013, 05:34 PM

Yes on the frame, I have 4 magazines and none of them will work properly. I can't see where the frame has been damaged,but with none of the mag's working it has to be the frame! Is there really that much difference between magazines that that could be the problem?

George Anderson · 12-17-2013, 06:05 PM

Have you tried inserting and removing magazines with both grips removed?

G.T. · 12-17-2013, 06:17 PM

There is a slight variance in frames, and I have seen many that are just a'bit tight... First thing to do is take a MEC-GAR mag and see if it fits and drops free correctly.. They are a few thousands under on all dimensions and can be definitively used as a go gauge... after that, you need to dig out the old dial calipers and start checking magazine dimensions... If the mags are super clean, you can probably expect them to fit, but much use and deformity.. whether one or four, will probably cause you trouble... If you have the frame with the grips off and the hold open out.. and the mags stripped (I don't recommend!) they would drop straight through.... Anyway, this info should help you a'bit... best to you, til...lat'r...GT

hayhugh · 12-17-2013, 06:20 PM

Yes I have removed screws and grips so that I could put in bluing and do the filing. Just holding lower and filing high spots, rebluing and a little more filing. I have 4 mag's: One MEG-GAR, one Mauser, one wood bottom with number 5989 which I think is an Erfurt and one aluminum bottom with #1115 and marked 1 with an eagle. the last works best of the lot but still not without a pull on bottom.

George Anderson · 12-17-2013, 06:23 PM

How difficult is it to insert the magazine? Is there a point at which you meet resistance going in? At what point does resistance ease upon removal?

hayhugh · 12-17-2013, 06:43 PM

I meet resistance both inserting and removal when magazine is about two inches in slot. I have been filing on both the round side and the flat side just about opposite each other where bluing shows high spots.

mrerick · 12-17-2013, 07:18 PM

It's possible that the frame has been twisted (torqued) out of true.

There is a mandrel tool used at the factory for straightening these. I saw a few at a recent meeting in Oberndorf...

Marc

George Anderson · 12-17-2013, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayhugh

I meet resistance both inserting and removal when magazine is about two inches in slot. I have been filing on both the round side and the flat side just about opposite each other where bluing shows high spots.

Where do you live?

hayhugh · 12-17-2013, 08:17 PM

I am in Florida for the winter (till May) then in Penna. (till Oct) I stopped the filing for the night. It seems as though I am making progress. I am using the mag that was giving me the most problems and it is going in and out much better. Taking pains to do no damage to other parts of the frame. I appreciate all the help/suggestion I have gotten on this forum.

John Sabato · 12-18-2013, 09:46 AM

Make sure you are only filing with the magazine release button removed from the frame... its too easy to ruin it...

hayhugh · 12-18-2013, 01:33 PM

Thank you all, finished up this morning. just a little touch up with emery cloth, removed the bluing with acetone and all is well. Not quite as good as when it came out of Erfurt factory but 100% better then it was. Stopped when I was ahead and before I did damage. I can imagine people who read my post yesterday losing sleep last night thinking about that dam fool using a file on a hundred year old gun.........

alanint · 12-18-2013, 02:33 PM

At least it wasn't a Dremel......

12-17-2013, 03:32 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	No. I have used both. Just don't use paint remover! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-17-2013, 05:27 PM	#5
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12-17-2013, 06:17 PM	#8
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	tight frames...and loose frames! There is a slight variance in frames, and I have seen many that are just a'bit tight... First thing to do is take a MEC-GAR mag and see if it fits and drops free correctly.. They are a few thousands under on all dimensions and can be definitively used as a go gauge... after that, you need to dig out the old dial calipers and start checking magazine dimensions... If the mags are super clean, you can probably expect them to fit, but much use and deformity.. whether one or four, will probably cause you trouble... If you have the frame with the grips off and the hold open out.. and the mags stripped (I don't recommend!) they would drop straight through.... Anyway, this info should help you a'bit... best to you, til...lat'r...GT

12-17-2013, 07:18 PM	#12
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	It's possible that the frame has been twisted (torqued) out of true. There is a mandrel tool used at the factory for straightening these. I saw a few at a recent meeting in Oberndorf... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

12-18-2013, 09:46 AM	#15
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Make sure you are only filing with the magazine release button removed from the frame... its too easy to ruin it... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-17-2013, 03:24 PM	#1
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Paint thinner Will paint thinner or acetone hurt bluing on gun??

12-17-2013, 04:48 PM	#3
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Ron, I am having difficulty inserting and removing magazines in my Erfurt artillery pistol and have used some DYKEM bluing to highlight the high spots in the lower end. I am getting close but still not where the magazine will just fall out when magazine release button is depressed, still need two hands. As I file away the thought of removing the bluing keeps coming to mind.

12-17-2013, 04:55 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Are you filing on the magazines or on the frame? dju

12-17-2013, 05:34 PM	#6
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Yes on the frame, I have 4 magazines and none of them will work properly. I can't see where the frame has been damaged,but with none of the mag's working it has to be the frame! Is there really that much difference between magazines that that could be the problem?

12-17-2013, 06:05 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Have you tried inserting and removing magazines with both grips removed?

12-17-2013, 06:20 PM	#9
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Yes I have removed screws and grips so that I could put in bluing and do the filing. Just holding lower and filing high spots, rebluing and a little more filing. I have 4 mag's: One MEG-GAR, one Mauser, one wood bottom with number 5989 which I think is an Erfurt and one aluminum bottom with #1115 and marked 1 with an eagle. the last works best of the lot but still not without a pull on bottom.

12-17-2013, 06:23 PM	#10
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	How difficult is it to insert the magazine? Is there a point at which you meet resistance going in? At what point does resistance ease upon removal?

12-17-2013, 06:43 PM	#11
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	I meet resistance both inserting and removal when magazine is about two inches in slot. I have been filing on both the round side and the flat side just about opposite each other where bluing shows high spots.

12-17-2013, 08:17 PM	#14
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	I am in Florida for the winter (till May) then in Penna. (till Oct) I stopped the filing for the night. It seems as though I am making progress. I am using the mag that was giving me the most problems and it is going in and out much better. Taking pains to do no damage to other parts of the frame. I appreciate all the help/suggestion I have gotten on this forum.

12-18-2013, 01:33 PM	#16
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Thank you all, finished up this morning. just a little touch up with emery cloth, removed the bluing with acetone and all is well. Not quite as good as when it came out of Erfurt factory but 100% better then it was. Stopped when I was ahead and before I did damage. I can imagine people who read my post yesterday losing sleep last night thinking about that dam fool using a file on a hundred year old gun.........

12-18-2013, 02:33 PM	#17
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	At least it wasn't a Dremel......