04 Navy on eGun.de

Thosbi · 01-22-2014, 10:13 AM

http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4766492

Any thoughts and comments appreciated ...

Regards from Germany

Thosbi

wlyon · 01-22-2014, 10:27 AM

Looks like a reblue to me. Bill

alanint · 01-22-2014, 10:42 AM

Unquestionably a reblue.

Norme · 01-22-2014, 10:52 AM

Hi Fellas, The seller does describe it as having been professionally reblued. However, even with the poor photos posted there are enough signs to lead me to suspect that this Navy is a ground-up fabrication. The 1917 on the front sight block, for example.
Regards, Norm
P.S. Welcome to the forum, Thorsten!

alanint · 01-22-2014, 11:29 AM

I would tend to agree. This is the second Navy gun out of Europe that has been questionable. It would seem there is a new "mechanic" out there.

sheepherder · 01-22-2014, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

This is the second Navy gun out of Europe that has been questionable. It would seem there is a new "mechanic" out there.

Aha! That would explain why the 'manual' is written in German...

Ron Wood · 01-22-2014, 12:23 PM

Rich,
Where in the heck did you find that manual?! That is a hoot!!

Sergio Natali · 01-22-2014, 01:35 PM

Rebuffed, then is a 1917.

a) is a complete fake
b) it's one of the many 1917 refurnished.

I'm really looking forward to hear what our Navy Luger experts are going to say about it.

George Anderson · 01-22-2014, 01:58 PM

It appears that it may be an original refinished 1917 dated P04 with a modern replacement barrel

Ben M. · 01-22-2014, 06:04 PM

used one of the online translation sites to get this out of the ad:

Auctioneer here a P 08 Navy, DWM 1917. The weapon is up to the magazine in all parts matching numbers (including the handles). Magazine stamped with large numbers. Running a mirror finish. The gun has been professionally re-blued. Due to the sublime, deep stamp I am assuming that a revision has not taken place. Even otherwise, no noticeable usual revision marks. The previous owner had probably joy of optical perfection. Personally, I'm assuming that not even the Neubrünierung would have been required. The gun has no Neubeschuss, therefore only sell to owner of corresponding purchase of firearms. Private auction. Shipping is legally compliant with Overnite and is not negotiable. Shipping abroad only on German exporter (eg weapons Bock). I will gladly answer your questions about the gun or send to request more detailed photos. Preview and pickup no problem and encouraged.

01-22-2014, 10:13 AM	#1
Thosbi User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 26 Thanks: 81 Thanked 43 Times in 8 Posts	04 Navy on eGun.de http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4766492 Any thoughts and comments appreciated ... Regards from Germany Thosbi

01-22-2014, 10:27 AM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	Looks like a reblue to me. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

01-22-2014, 10:52 AM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Fellas, The seller does describe it as having been professionally reblued. However, even with the poor photos posted there are enough signs to lead me to suspect that this Navy is a ground-up fabrication. The 1917 on the front sight block, for example. Regards, Norm P.S. Welcome to the forum, Thorsten! Attached Thumbnails

01-22-2014, 12:23 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Rich, Where in the heck did you find that manual?! That is a hoot!! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-22-2014, 01:35 PM	#8
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Rebuffed, then is a 1917. a) is a complete fake b) it's one of the many 1917 refurnished. I'm really looking forward to hear what our Navy Luger experts are going to say about it. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-22-2014, 10:42 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Unquestionably a reblue.

01-22-2014, 11:29 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I would tend to agree. This is the second Navy gun out of Europe that has been questionable. It would seem there is a new "mechanic" out there.

01-22-2014, 01:58 PM	#9
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	It appears that it may be an original refinished 1917 dated P04 with a modern replacement barrel

01-22-2014, 06:04 PM	#10
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	used one of the online translation sites to get this out of the ad: Auctioneer here a P 08 Navy, DWM 1917. The weapon is up to the magazine in all parts matching numbers (including the handles). Magazine stamped with large numbers. Running a mirror finish. The gun has been professionally re-blued. Due to the sublime, deep stamp I am assuming that a revision has not taken place. Even otherwise, no noticeable usual revision marks. The previous owner had probably joy of optical perfection. Personally, I'm assuming that not even the Neubrünierung would have been required. The gun has no Neubeschuss, therefore only sell to owner of corresponding purchase of firearms. Private auction. Shipping is legally compliant with Overnite and is not negotiable. Shipping abroad only on German exporter (eg weapons Bock). I will gladly answer your questions about the gun or send to request more detailed photos. Preview and pickup no problem and encouraged.