Whats are the holes for!!

cirelaw · 01-26-2014, 12:28 PM

They have remained unchanged for over a century!!~Eric

cirelaw · 01-26-2014, 01:19 PM

Tks I consider oiling holes but the mags have one side wide open for oiling when neccesary. The small holes seems the issue. Its present on ever type or maker I own one from the police and 2 matching to my Kreighoff. I imagine it had to have been made with the first luger prototype. Each was worthless without one another. They all seem to be interchangeable the 9mm or 7.65mm. Pure perfection and still in use a 110 years later. ~~Eric

regul · 01-26-2014, 01:48 PM

Eric
The lower hole could be used to stake the magazine follower button in place or to remove it for magazine repair.
Thanks
Ed

cirelaw · 01-26-2014, 02:01 PM

Ed I think you nailed it. The little one seems more difficult~~

Sergio Natali · 01-26-2014, 02:47 PM

Good question Eric, as I don't think that those are the so called "witness holes" that you can see on 1911 or GLOCK magazines bodies, indicating how many rounds are remaining in the magazine.
The small hole is the issue I think, perhaps it was supposed to be used to stake the magazine button?

cirelaw · 01-26-2014, 03:08 PM

I just noticed you can see it across the other side. Maybe used to hang the mag in a diping solution..whats amazing its never been changed or modified. It must be a pretty good secret for over hundred years. The takedown basic design has also endured as long!! Here is Charles Kenyan's display but one side only. I provided one of our mysterous hole! Like everyone it was small and probobly hardly noticed years later nor mentioned! Still it still seems a mystery!! It was put there for a reason back in 1900 and everyone just followed suit I guess!~~~Bon journo! Sergio!!

cirelaw · 01-26-2014, 04:31 PM

I think I solved the hole issue~~~~Useful in original production!

Ron Wood · 01-26-2014, 06:31 PM

A novel use for the hole no doubt, but it is intended, as Ed (Regul) said, to stake the follower button to the follower or to remove it for repair. The very early Luger magazines, the so-called "flat button" magazine, was made without this hole since the follower button was threaded and screwed into the follower. This early magazine is quite scarce and expensive.

cirelaw · 01-26-2014, 07:02 PM

Ron, I'm sorry I didnt understand you explanation. How and for what is the small hole is for. What Is it there for and how is it used? Can you refer to a regular magazine and how exactly is its use? That part of my brain I lost in my stroke! The "follower" Whats a follower? This is where I lose you. Is it meant to hold the spring down?

Ron Wood · 01-26-2014, 08:33 PM

The follower is the metal platform inside the magazine that pushes the rounds up. The button that you push down on to load the magazine is fastened to the follower. In order to keep the button from working loose from the follower, when the magazine is first assembled the button is "staked", i.e. the end opposite the button is expanded in the follower by a punch inserted through the hole.
I showed a regular magazine with the hole (bottom magazine in the photo) and the rare "flat button" magazine without the hole (top magazine). The flat button magazine was used with the very early Lugers in order to insert them into an unrelieved frame. The flat button was difficult to use in loading so a higher button was implemented and the frame relieved to accommodate it. This higher button is the one that was staked through the hole.

cirelaw · 01-26-2014, 08:39 PM

I couldn't have asked for better! I will look at them with a new appreciation and understanding!! ~Eric

Sergio Natali · 01-27-2014, 10:45 AM

"Flat button" don't mention it, I'm still looking for a "commercial" one!

jussi16 · 01-28-2014, 03:50 AM

When I had to take the alu bottom out of the mag body to repair the body, I put a pin through that hole to prevent the spring from shooting out of it.
Maybe that was the original use?

Ron Wood · 01-28-2014, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jussi16

When I had to take the alu bottom out of the mag body to repair the body, I put a pin through that hole to prevent the spring from shooting out of it.
Maybe that was the original use?

No, the use is as I described, although it does come in handy for the way you used it

01-26-2014, 12:28 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Whats are the holes for!! They have remained unchanged for over a century!!~Eric Attached Thumbnails

01-26-2014, 01:19 PM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Tks I consider oiling holes but the mags have one side wide open for oiling when neccesary. The small holes seems the issue. Its present on ever type or maker I own one from the police and 2 matching to my Kreighoff. I imagine it had to have been made with the first luger prototype. Each was worthless without one another. They all seem to be interchangeable the 9mm or 7.65mm. Pure perfection and still in use a 110 years later. ~~Eric Attached Thumbnails

01-26-2014, 02:47 PM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Good question Eric, as I don't think that those are the so called "witness holes" that you can see on 1911 or GLOCK magazines bodies, indicating how many rounds are remaining in the magazine. The small hole is the issue I think, perhaps it was supposed to be used to stake the magazine button? __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-26-2014, 03:08 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I just noticed you can see it across the other side. Maybe used to hang the mag in a diping solution..whats amazing its never been changed or modified. It must be a pretty good secret for over hundred years. The takedown basic design has also endured as long!! Here is Charles Kenyan's display but one side only. I provided one of our mysterous hole! Like everyone it was small and probobly hardly noticed years later nor mentioned! Still it still seems a mystery!! It was put there for a reason back in 1900 and everyone just followed suit I guess!~~~Bon journo! Sergio!! Attached Thumbnails

01-26-2014, 04:31 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I think I solved the hole issue~~~~Useful in original production! Attached Thumbnails

01-26-2014, 01:48 PM	#3
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	Eric The lower hole could be used to stake the magazine follower button in place or to remove it for magazine repair. Thanks Ed

01-26-2014, 02:01 PM	#4
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ed I think you nailed it. The little one seems more difficult~~

01-26-2014, 06:31 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	A novel use for the hole no doubt, but it is intended, as Ed (Regul) said, to stake the follower button to the follower or to remove it for repair. The very early Luger magazines, the so-called "flat button" magazine, was made without this hole since the follower button was threaded and screwed into the follower. This early magazine is quite scarce and expensive. Attached Images __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-26-2014, 07:02 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ron, I'm sorry I didnt understand you explanation. How and for what is the small hole is for. What Is it there for and how is it used? Can you refer to a regular magazine and how exactly is its use? That part of my brain I lost in my stroke! The "follower" Whats a follower? This is where I lose you. Is it meant to hold the spring down?

01-26-2014, 08:33 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	The follower is the metal platform inside the magazine that pushes the rounds up. The button that you push down on to load the magazine is fastened to the follower. In order to keep the button from working loose from the follower, when the magazine is first assembled the button is "staked", i.e. the end opposite the button is expanded in the follower by a punch inserted through the hole. I showed a regular magazine with the hole (bottom magazine in the photo) and the rare "flat button" magazine without the hole (top magazine). The flat button magazine was used with the very early Lugers in order to insert them into an unrelieved frame. The flat button was difficult to use in loading so a higher button was implemented and the frame relieved to accommodate it. This higher button is the one that was staked through the hole. Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-26-2014, 08:39 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I couldn't have asked for better! I will look at them with a new appreciation and understanding!! ~Eric

01-27-2014, 10:45 AM	#12
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	"Flat button" don't mention it, I'm still looking for a "commercial" one! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-28-2014, 03:50 AM	#13
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	When I had to take the alu bottom out of the mag body to repair the body, I put a pin through that hole to prevent the spring from shooting out of it. Maybe that was the original use?