Mark on Re-Barreled Swiss M1900 Luger

mrerick · 02-12-2014, 05:18 PM

I recently acquired my first M1900 Swiss Luger.

This one shows evidence of rebuild including the reinforced S+F extractor and a replacement barrel.

The only marks on the barrel are the serial number (in the correct position, stamped through the bluing) and an odd mark on top.

Can anyone identify this mark?

Does the mark trace back to a Swiss arsenal rebuilder?

Thanks, Marc

Sergio Natali · 02-13-2014, 05:36 AM

You're right about the "odd" mark, it'sometthing I've never seen before.
Are you really sure it's some sort of arsenal stamp?
IMHO

mrerick · 02-13-2014, 11:34 AM

I'm honestly not sure what the mark is. The only other mark on the barrel is the serial number, and it is also roughly stamped like this mark.

The plum color tone of the barrel, and the appearance of the front (which is also blued) makes me think it was salt blued. It is properly staked, and the original front sight is mounted on the new barrel.

The new barrel is properly and clearly staked into the receiver as well...

Ben M. · 02-13-2014, 06:48 PM

is that a normal colour for barrel?

mrerick · 02-13-2014, 07:10 PM

The plum color is unusual. The plum color happens because of a combination of the metal alloy, the bluing chemistry and the temperature of the bluing bath.

Marc

sheepherder · 02-13-2014, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

The plum color happens because of...the temperature of the bluing bath.

I remarked on a plum extractor at my LGS yesterday, and was told if you go over 390ºF to say 400ºF, the plum happens...Supposedly very temp sensitive...

swissdagger · 02-14-2014, 11:19 AM

Normal Color for WF Luger Barrels.

swissdagger · 02-14-2014, 11:22 AM

Looks not like a Mark or stamp,more like scratches,Deep scratches.

alanint · 02-14-2014, 12:12 PM

Is there a corresponding mark on the bottom? If almost looks like a scratch made by a plyer's jaw.

mrerick · 02-14-2014, 03:37 PM

The only thing on the bottom is the stamped serial number.

There is no corresponding mark like a pliers jaw...

I'm beginning to wonder if something hard was dropped on it, but it is perfectly centered on the top of the barrel...

I guess I'll just have to accept it as a handling mark...

Stefan, thank you for confirming the bluing color corresponds to W+F production. Can you also confirm that the replacement parts were salt blued? The interior of the barrel appears blued as well. The reinforced W+F extractor also is evidence of refurbishment at W+F, but it did escape the "U" shaped rear sight filing...

I discovered C.K.C. import markings (FGS Firearms?) underneath the right grip, which points to import after 1968 but before 2002

Marc

02-12-2014, 05:18 PM	#1
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Mark on Re-Barreled Swiss M1900 Luger I recently acquired my first M1900 Swiss Luger. This one shows evidence of rebuild including the reinforced S+F extractor and a replacement barrel. The only marks on the barrel are the serial number (in the correct position, stamped through the bluing) and an odd mark on top. Can anyone identify this mark? Does the mark trace back to a Swiss arsenal rebuilder? Thanks, Marc Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	You're right about the "odd" mark, it'sometthing I've never seen before. Are you really sure it's some sort of arsenal stamp? IMHO __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-13-2014, 11:34 AM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	I'm honestly not sure what the mark is. The only other mark on the barrel is the serial number, and it is also roughly stamped like this mark. The plum color tone of the barrel, and the appearance of the front (which is also blued) makes me think it was salt blued. It is properly staked, and the original front sight is mounted on the new barrel. The new barrel is properly and clearly staked into the receiver as well... __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-13-2014, 07:10 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The plum color is unusual. The plum color happens because of a combination of the metal alloy, the bluing chemistry and the temperature of the bluing bath. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

02-14-2014, 11:22 AM	#8
swissdagger User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 53 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Looks not like a Mark or stamp,more like scratches,Deep scratches. Last edited by swissdagger; 03-01-2014 at 04:37 AM.

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Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	is that a normal colour for barrel?

02-14-2014, 11:19 AM	#7
swissdagger User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 53 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Normal Color for WF Luger Barrels.

02-14-2014, 12:12 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Is there a corresponding mark on the bottom? If almost looks like a scratch made by a plyer's jaw.

02-14-2014, 03:37 PM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The only thing on the bottom is the stamped serial number. There is no corresponding mark like a pliers jaw... I'm beginning to wonder if something hard was dropped on it, but it is perfectly centered on the top of the barrel... I guess I'll just have to accept it as a handling mark... Stefan, thank you for confirming the bluing color corresponds to W+F production. Can you also confirm that the replacement parts were salt blued? The interior of the barrel appears blued as well. The reinforced W+F extractor also is evidence of refurbishment at W+F, but it did escape the "U" shaped rear sight filing... I discovered C.K.C. import markings (FGS Firearms?) underneath the right grip, which points to import after 1968 but before 2002 Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.