Army/Navy stocks

hayhugh · 07-18-2015, 12:05 PM

A while back someone listed the exact specs showing the difference between the Artillery and the Navy shoulder stocks. If you have this post handy, please point me in the right direction. Thank you, Hugh

George Anderson · 07-19-2015, 12:30 PM

Looks like someone needs to go to a re-education camp.

nukem556 · 07-20-2015, 10:13 PM

The Navy one floats, and the Army one doesn't.

ithacaartist · 07-21-2015, 02:00 AM

Navy is shorter and has a medallion. Only legal on navy pistols...

Sergio Natali · 07-21-2015, 04:05 AM

I don't know for sure about medallions, but I know that they differ in size for about 2 centimetres.

Sergio

hayhugh · 07-21-2015, 07:58 AM

This is what I have been able to find out about the Navy shoulder stock:

This exemption applies only to the listed Naval
Luger pistols if mated to the Naval Luger stock and will not apply if
the Naval Luger pistol is mated to the Artillery stock. The Naval stock
has an overall dimension of 12-3/4", a rear width of 4-5/8",
a front width of 1-1/2", a rear thickness of 9/16", and a front
thickness of l-3/16".

Now if I can get the same information for the Artillery?

sheepherder · 07-21-2015, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayhugh

This is what I have been able to find out about the Navy shoulder stock:

This exemption applies only to the listed Naval
Luger pistols if mated to the Naval Luger stock and will not apply if
the Naval Luger pistol is mated to the Artillery stock. The Naval stock
has an overall dimension of 12-3/4", a rear width of 4-5/8",
a front width of 1-1/2", a rear thickness of 9/16", and a front
thickness of l-3/16".

Now if I can get the same information for the Artillery?

I don't have that information...But...I have seen some stocks with one and some with two attaching iron screws...???...

Ron Wood · 07-21-2015, 11:13 AM

I have never seen a LP08 stock with only one screw. The early carbine stocks had only one screw and examples are pretty scarce.

sheepherder · 07-21-2015, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

I have never seen a LP08 stock with only one screw. The early carbine stocks had only one screw...

I was hoping that was the difference between Navy & Artillery, but now that I actually think about it, it was carbine attaching iron that I was Searching for...

Thankyouverymuch...

Hugh -

IIRC, Eric posted this some time back...There were dimensions posted too but I only saved the pic...

skeeter4206 · 07-21-2015, 10:50 PM

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Navy is shorter and has a medallion. Only legal on navy pistols...

On the legal side of things with stocks. Saying that navy stocks are only legal on navy lugers. So if you have a navy luger with an artillery stock on it, are you considered illegal? And also with an artillery luger, if the stock does not match serial numbers and can not be proven to have been with the particular luger from the get go. Is this illegal as well.

I'm curious what makes a luger and stock legal when paired together?

DonVoigt · 07-22-2015, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by skeeter4206

On the legal side of things with stocks. Saying that navy stocks are only legal on navy lugers. So if you have a navy luger with an artillery stock on it, are you considered illegal? And also with an artillery luger, if the stock does not match serial numbers and can not be proven to have been with the particular luger from the get go. Is this illegal as well.

I'm curious what makes a luger and stock legal when paired together?

Navy stock with Navy luger;
Art'y stock with Art'y luger;
not to be mixed up, i.e. mated with the other type stock/pistol.

Like to Like.

Each stock must be similar to the original in construction; in other words you can't just make a stock, or use a mauser or high power stock.

Numbers do not enter into it, some are and never were numbered.

John Sabato · 07-22-2015, 08:16 AM

Go to the ATF website and look up the approved curio and relic (C&R) list of firearms. It describes exactly what is "legal" and what isn't.

hayhugh · 07-22-2015, 11:14 AM

Yes I have gone through the ATF regs. and as far as I can tell it only tells you when and how shoulder stocks may be attached to Lugers. No mention is made to dimensions of either the Artillery or the Navy shoulder stock. If you buy a replica stock board, how do you know if it is legal without the dimensions?? It is only a matter of inches and you are in court defending your whole collection!

sheepherder · 07-22-2015, 12:39 PM

...And what if your artillery board stock had a crack in the attachment wood, and you shortened it to Navy length and re-cut it for the attaching iron...Is it now a Navy stock???

hayhugh · 07-22-2015, 01:32 PM

If you also attached the metal disk and it was the proper Navy dimensions you would have a repo Navy shoulder stock. Right?

Sergio Natali · 07-22-2015, 01:54 PM

In all honesty I don't know all the legal sides of things related with stocks in the USA, the only thing that I wonder is what's the point of having a repro stock with an original Artillery or Navy Luger?

Sergio

hayhugh · 07-22-2015, 04:08 PM

The ATF says you can shoot an artillery or navy with a shoulder stock as long as it is either an original or an exact reproduction but it has to be an artillery stock on an artillery Luger an a navy stock on a navy Luger, no stock on other Lugers. If they catch you with an incorrect mismatch it could put your whole collection in legal limbo. That's as bad asking the IRS for an audlt.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-22-2015, 09:46 PM

...And what if your artillery board stock had a crack in the attachment wood, and you shortened it to Navy length and re-cut it for the attaching iron...Is it now a Navy stock?

No..It cannot be done. Stocks are dished out for specific holsters. 6 inch for Navy and 8 inch for Artillery. You can modify either end but you will NEVER make one into the other. Yes, it can be very technical but the average G man doesn't know enough about the subject to even ask intelligent questions.

DonVoigt · 07-22-2015, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

In all honesty I don't know all the legal sides of things related with stocks in the USA, the only thing that I wonder is what's the point of having a repro stock with an original Artillery or Navy Luger?

Sergio

Pretty simple,
lots of folks can't afford an original, especially a Navy-
or don't want to.

I have both, the repro to use and the original to collect!

lugerholsterrepair · 07-23-2015, 11:45 AM

I agree with Don, Originals are fascinating to acquire and collect. I also keep several Odin Navy and Artillery stocks to shoot.

07-18-2015, 12:05 PM	#1
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Army/Navy stocks A while back someone listed the exact specs showing the difference between the Artillery and the Navy shoulder stocks. If you have this post handy, please point me in the right direction. Thank you, Hugh

07-21-2015, 02:00 AM	#4
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Navy is shorter and has a medallion. Only legal on navy pistols... __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

07-21-2015, 04:05 AM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I don't know for sure about medallions, but I know that they differ in size for about 2 centimetres. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

07-21-2015, 11:13 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	I have never seen a LP08 stock with only one screw. The early carbine stocks had only one screw and examples are pretty scarce. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-22-2015, 08:16 AM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Go to the ATF website and look up the approved curio and relic (C&R) list of firearms. It describes exactly what is "legal" and what isn't. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-19-2015, 12:30 PM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Looks like someone needs to go to a re-education camp.

07-20-2015, 10:13 PM	#3
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	The Navy one floats, and the Army one doesn't.

07-21-2015, 07:58 AM	#6
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	This is what I have been able to find out about the Navy shoulder stock: This exemption applies only to the listed Naval Luger pistols if mated to the Naval Luger stock and will not apply if the Naval Luger pistol is mated to the Artillery stock. The Naval stock has an overall dimension of 12-3/4", a rear width of 4-5/8", a front width of 1-1/2", a rear thickness of 9/16", and a front thickness of l-3/16". Now if I can get the same information for the Artillery?

07-22-2015, 11:14 AM	#13
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Yes I have gone through the ATF regs. and as far as I can tell it only tells you when and how shoulder stocks may be attached to Lugers. No mention is made to dimensions of either the Artillery or the Navy shoulder stock. If you buy a replica stock board, how do you know if it is legal without the dimensions?? It is only a matter of inches and you are in court defending your whole collection!

07-22-2015, 12:39 PM	#14
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	...And what if your artillery board stock had a crack in the attachment wood, and you shortened it to Navy length and re-cut it for the attaching iron...Is it now a Navy stock??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-22-2015, 01:32 PM	#15
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	If you also attached the metal disk and it was the proper Navy dimensions you would have a repo Navy shoulder stock. Right?

07-22-2015, 01:54 PM	#16
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	In all honesty I don't know all the legal sides of things related with stocks in the USA, the only thing that I wonder is what's the point of having a repro stock with an original Artillery or Navy Luger? Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

07-22-2015, 04:08 PM	#17
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	The ATF says you can shoot an artillery or navy with a shoulder stock as long as it is either an original or an exact reproduction but it has to be an artillery stock on an artillery Luger an a navy stock on a navy Luger, no stock on other Lugers. If they catch you with an incorrect mismatch it could put your whole collection in legal limbo. That's as bad asking the IRS for an audlt. Last edited by hayhugh; 07-22-2015 at 04:10 PM. Reason: More info.

07-22-2015, 09:46 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	...And what if your artillery board stock had a crack in the attachment wood, and you shortened it to Navy length and re-cut it for the attaching iron...Is it now a Navy stock? No..It cannot be done. Stocks are dished out for specific holsters. 6 inch for Navy and 8 inch for Artillery. You can modify either end but you will NEVER make one into the other. Yes, it can be very technical but the average G man doesn't know enough about the subject to even ask intelligent questions. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-23-2015, 11:45 AM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	I agree with Don, Originals are fascinating to acquire and collect. I also keep several Odin Navy and Artillery stocks to shoot. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."