Custom G date Carbine

Edward Tinker · 01-03-2016, 10:15 PM

I will take better pictures tomorrow and replace these

Okay, this is the story on my carbine that Eugene made for me. Let me start off that I am amazed at the quality and care taken into it, although it took about a year longer than I would have liked. That said, I am pleased, very.
3/13/2013 I talked to Eugene about a carbine, we discussed type, payment and timeframe. He was honest that it would be at least 18 months. This was after Dwight and I published Police Lugers; so when we discussed a carbine, I decided on something unconventional, but fitting in with one of my collecting interests, Weimar era and police. I had picked up a parts G date and decided that this would make an interesting item for my collection. To me, the K and then G dates were the end of the Weimar – the Nazi’s were taking over the country and Mauser started producing in the clear as Germany, in their eyes, threw off the shackles of the allied countries from WW1.

Probably an early or late Simson would have been cool, but I wanted an item that signified as an end of the collecting era that I like and this fits it (in my opinion). I also knew that if I was going to have Eugene make me a carbine, I wanted one that would never be confused with an original and since I wanted one that was shootable and with two matching magazines.

The G date was the start of it, with two Haenel police magazines. Eugene replaced the bottoms with two blank bottoms made by GT. This turns out that it was likely an error on my part, although the magazines are perfect for this (made likely in the mid-1920’s to late 1920’s), the ‘flat’ follower button and these magazines go into the magazine well with a fair bit of resistance. It is likely why the flat button magazines did not last that long! However, a Mec-Gar or my Swiss magazine slips in like butter!

The carbine has a deep bluing to it that is very beautiful to look at, and the wood chosen has deep figure in it, with the same wood used for the grips.

Today I went to Eugene’s shop, he has a complete set up of making practically anything gun related. He has CNC capability, bluing, strawing, engraving, set up, etc. I saw that at anyone time he was in the process of about 30 projects, so, and I told him I was going to say this, that his worst characteristic is that he takes on too many projects, thus taking too long. And I imagine that new projects sometimes interest him more than the ones present ones. By the way, I specifically asked about ‘berks’ C96 and its in the works, I nicely reminded him that you’d asked me to ask him. I did so…

My overall judgment is much like others who have gotten a product from him, it takes much longer than we’d like, but his work is excellent.

Jim Solomon · 01-03-2016, 11:05 PM

Ed, it is beautiful. Happy that you have it in hand--a nice way to start 2016.
Jim

DavidJayUden · 01-03-2016, 11:06 PM

So, give it a day or two, then answer: Was it worth the heartburn? Certainly looks like it to me.
I'd like to meet Eugene some day. An interesting character to be sure.
dju

berkmberk1 · 01-03-2016, 11:27 PM

I am indebted to you for giving Eugene a gentle nudge. If the Mauser comes out as nicely as your carbine, it will definitely be worth the waite.

CAP Black · 01-03-2016, 11:49 PM

That is a prize for sure.
Glad for you.
Jack

DonVoigt · 01-04-2016, 12:02 AM

Very nice; and a super choice of "starting material".

sheepherder · 01-04-2016, 12:15 AM

I am green with envy. It is truly a masterpiece.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-04-2016, 12:18 AM

Ed, Yes! I am happy for you! You must have a shooting report in a few days. There is a small detail you really have to attend to. The front oval that holds the fore end on..it should not have brass screws. They should be fire blued steel. Glad the saga has come to a satisfactory ending.

Edward Tinker · 01-04-2016, 12:29 AM

thank you all - like I said I am pleased, and everyone's support has helped me tremendously. I love both forums, but I shared here, simply because I have always felt close to John D's forum.

Jerry, fireblue is correct for a pre-1920 carbine, but brass is correct for a G date

okay, it is something I can ask you or Rich for help later

ed

Grantas · 01-04-2016, 12:37 AM

Very very nice, now for some loving handling to enhance the patina on the wood .. looks to be well worth the wait. Congratulations.

Edward Tinker · 01-04-2016, 01:14 AM

I forgot my cap to the Luger, a cleaning rod, made especially for this carbine about a year ago from a craftsman friend of mine!

ithacaartist · 01-04-2016, 04:21 AM

Just gorgeous, Ed. I've had to empty the drool bucket twice, just looking at these pics!

Ron Wood · 01-04-2016, 07:18 AM

Beautiful Ed. Now that it is in hand I suspect it was worth the anguish, but man it was painful getting here! Congratulations (finally!

).
Ron

kzullick · 01-04-2016, 07:24 AM

I would say that it was worth the wait!

Curss · 01-04-2016, 07:51 AM

Definitely a good start to 2016! Thats a purty carbine if I ever saw one!

JTD · 01-04-2016, 09:07 AM

Ed, I noticed the upper receiver you used has no "flutes" cut near the barrel. Very nice pistol, waiting for the range report. John

stressed · 01-04-2016, 09:48 AM

Very nice. I'd consider getting one if turnaround was a month.

Vlim · 01-04-2016, 10:50 AM

Ed, a wonderful piece of kit you have there! Well done. And your patience during the process has been remarkable!

cirelaw · 01-04-2016, 10:51 AM

Perfect!!! You now own a carbine probably more valuable than an original!!!!

John Sabato · 01-04-2016, 11:01 AM

A hearty Congrats Ed! You have the biblical patience of Job! You deserve this beautiful carbine.

01-03-2016, 10:15 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Custom G date Carbine I will take better pictures tomorrow and replace these Okay, this is the story on my carbine that Eugene made for me. Let me start off that I am amazed at the quality and care taken into it, although it took about a year longer than I would have liked. That said, I am pleased, very. 3/13/2013 I talked to Eugene about a carbine, we discussed type, payment and timeframe. He was honest that it would be at least 18 months. This was after Dwight and I published Police Lugers; so when we discussed a carbine, I decided on something unconventional, but fitting in with one of my collecting interests, Weimar era and police. I had picked up a parts G date and decided that this would make an interesting item for my collection. To me, the K and then G dates were the end of the Weimar – the Nazi’s were taking over the country and Mauser started producing in the clear as Germany, in their eyes, threw off the shackles of the allied countries from WW1. Probably an early or late Simson would have been cool, but I wanted an item that signified as an end of the collecting era that I like and this fits it (in my opinion). I also knew that if I was going to have Eugene make me a carbine, I wanted one that would never be confused with an original and since I wanted one that was shootable and with two matching magazines. The G date was the start of it, with two Haenel police magazines. Eugene replaced the bottoms with two blank bottoms made by GT. This turns out that it was likely an error on my part, although the magazines are perfect for this (made likely in the mid-1920’s to late 1920’s), the ‘flat’ follower button and these magazines go into the magazine well with a fair bit of resistance. It is likely why the flat button magazines did not last that long! However, a Mec-Gar or my Swiss magazine slips in like butter! The carbine has a deep bluing to it that is very beautiful to look at, and the wood chosen has deep figure in it, with the same wood used for the grips. Today I went to Eugene’s shop, he has a complete set up of making practically anything gun related. He has CNC capability, bluing, strawing, engraving, set up, etc. I saw that at anyone time he was in the process of about 30 projects, so, and I told him I was going to say this, that his worst characteristic is that he takes on too many projects, thus taking too long. And I imagine that new projects sometimes interest him more than the ones present ones. By the way, I specifically asked about ‘berks’ C96 and its in the works, I nicely reminded him that you’d asked me to ask him. I did so… My overall judgment is much like others who have gotten a product from him, it takes much longer than we’d like, but his work is excellent. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-03-2016, 11:05 PM	#2
Jim Solomon Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 199 Thanks: 700 Thanked 176 Times in 69 Posts	Ed, it is beautiful. Happy that you have it in hand--a nice way to start 2016. Jim __________________ Jim Solomon [email protected]

01-03-2016, 11:27 PM	#4
berkmberk1 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Springfield, IL Posts: 49 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 4 Posts	Many thanks I am indebted to you for giving Eugene a gentle nudge. If the Mauser comes out as nicely as your carbine, it will definitely be worth the waite. __________________ Michael D. Berk SFC, USA Ret.

01-04-2016, 12:02 AM	#6
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Very nice; and a super choice of "starting material". __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-04-2016, 12:15 AM	#7
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	I am green with envy. It is truly a masterpiece. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-03-2016, 11:06 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	So, give it a day or two, then answer: Was it worth the heartburn? Certainly looks like it to me. I'd like to meet Eugene some day. An interesting character to be sure. dju

01-03-2016, 11:49 PM	#5
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	That is a prize for sure. Glad for you. Jack

01-04-2016, 12:18 AM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ed, Yes! I am happy for you! You must have a shooting report in a few days. There is a small detail you really have to attend to. The front oval that holds the fore end on..it should not have brass screws. They should be fire blued steel. Glad the saga has come to a satisfactory ending. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-04-2016, 12:29 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	thank you all - like I said I am pleased, and everyone's support has helped me tremendously. I love both forums, but I shared here, simply because I have always felt close to John D's forum. Jerry, fireblue is correct for a pre-1920 carbine, but brass is correct for a G date okay, it is something I can ask you or Rich for help later ed

01-04-2016, 12:37 AM	#10
Grantas Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: New Zealand Posts: 55 Thanks: 274 Thanked 26 Times in 20 Posts	Very very nice, now for some loving handling to enhance the patina on the wood .. looks to be well worth the wait. Congratulations. __________________ LOOKING for Erfurt Takedown lever and sideplate number 44 also DWM Magazine 2823a

01-04-2016, 01:14 AM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I forgot my cap to the Luger, a cleaning rod, made especially for this carbine about a year ago from a craftsman friend of mine! Attached Thumbnails

01-04-2016, 04:21 AM	#12
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Just gorgeous, Ed. I've had to empty the drool bucket twice, just looking at these pics! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-04-2016, 07:18 AM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Beautiful Ed. Now that it is in hand I suspect it was worth the anguish, but man it was painful getting here! Congratulations (finally!). Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-04-2016, 07:24 AM	#14
kzullick Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: East Berwick, Pennsylvania Posts: 227 Thanks: 614 Thanked 100 Times in 81 Posts	I would say that it was worth the wait!

01-04-2016, 07:51 AM	#15
Curss User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 303 Thanks: 304 Thanked 98 Times in 75 Posts	Definitely a good start to 2016! Thats a purty carbine if I ever saw one! __________________ -Chris

01-04-2016, 09:07 AM	#16
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	Ed, I noticed the upper receiver you used has no "flutes" cut near the barrel. Very nice pistol, waiting for the range report. John

01-04-2016, 09:48 AM	#17
stressed User Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 197 Thanks: 41 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Very nice. I'd consider getting one if turnaround was a month.

01-04-2016, 10:50 AM	#18
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Ed, a wonderful piece of kit you have there! Well done. And your patience during the process has been remarkable!

01-04-2016, 10:51 AM	#19
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Perfect!!! You now own a carbine probably more valuable than an original!!!!

01-04-2016, 11:01 AM	#20
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	A hearty Congrats Ed! You have the biblical patience of Job! You deserve this beautiful carbine. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*