The 2016 Navy List

Norme · 08-11-2016, 03:57 PM

I've sent out the link to the new, improved and larger 2016 Navy List to all who have contributed to it. Mistakes happen, so if you have contributed information in the past and haven't received my email, send me a PM with your email address.
Regards to all, Norm

John Sabato · 08-12-2016, 09:53 AM

Norme, I think you should use the "manage attachment" feature and attach this data list to this thread for download by member who doesn't yet own a NAVY Luger , but may be interested in finding one, and might want to confirm the data on anything they find to the list. It will help newer collectors from considering a faked gun. Just my $0.02

Norme · 08-12-2016, 05:12 PM

Hi John,
"The Navy List" differs from most bare bones Luger data bases, that are little more than lists of serial numbers, as it attempts to describe condition and identify fakes. "1917 Navy #1234" tells you little other than that the gun exists. "1917 Navy #1234, unnumbered grips, mismatched magazine, replaced side-plate, refinished barrel & receiver" is far more helpful. To get all that extra information I have to be in direct contact with the owner via email, which is why I make sharing information conditional for receipt of the list.
Of course, any prospective purchaser of a Navy Luger can contact me via PM and I will be happy to tell them what is known about that particular gun, if it is listed.
Regards, Norm

sheepherder · 08-12-2016, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

I've sent out the link to the new, improved and larger 2016 Navy List to all who have contributed to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi John,
To get all that extra information I have to be in direct contact with the owner via email, which is why I make sharing information conditional for receipt of the list.

So what you're saying is you will only make the list available to those who have contributed to it???

I'm not criticizing, it is your list and you're entitled to whatever conditions you deem fit, I'm just wondering if you will only send it to those you approve or if anyone can request it...

Norme · 08-12-2016, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

So what you're saying is you will only make the list available to those who have contributed to it???

I'm not criticizing, it is your list and you're entitled to whatever conditions you deem fit, I'm just wondering if you will only send it to those you approve or if anyone can request it...

Anyone can request the Navy List, Rich. It is not free, the price is information. If you don't collect Navy Lugers, or if you do, and don't want to share information about them, you don't need the list in the first instance and don't deserve it in the second.
Norm

gunnertwo · 08-12-2016, 11:14 PM

Norm,

Could you send a copy of the list to my addy:

[email protected]

Could you also add me to the list for updates? Thanks.

Greg / gunnertwo

DonVoigt · 08-13-2016, 09:50 PM

It is pretty simple,
contribute info to Norm for inclusion in the list, and you "earn" the right to participate- thus receiving the list; as he said, information is the cost of the list.

His offer to assist anyone who PM's him with questions on a specific luger is more generous than many experts.

Don't have a Navy luger?- scour the shops and online venues and report Navy lugers that surface to Norm with as many details as you have; more eyes finds more information!

Joe Inabnett · 08-16-2016, 10:50 AM

I have a Navy numbered 4509. The sight is not dated. Can you tell me the year of production?

Joe Inabnett

Joe Inabnett · 08-16-2016, 10:59 AM

Front sights are marked on 1917 and 1918 models

Jack Lawman · 08-16-2016, 12:08 PM

Does Norme now get flooded with dubious Navy info in attempts to gain access to the list?

DonVoigt · 08-16-2016, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Inabnett

I have a Navy numbered 4509. The sight is not dated. Can you tell me the year of production?

Joe Inabnett

Not from just the serial number.
You need to post pictures of all markings and of the pistol, just start a new thread with pictures and your question.

Norme · 08-16-2016, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Inabnett

I have a Navy numbered 4509. The sight is not dated. Can you tell me the year of production?

Joe Inabnett

Hi Joe,
Does your gun have a lower case letter below the serial number? Does it have a grip safety?
Regards, Norm

Joe Inabnett · 08-16-2016, 04:07 PM

No letter code. Just the 4 digit number. From reading Jan Still's Imperial Lugers, it seems like a 06 Navy, but I'm not sure, As for pictures, I haven't mastered that yet. Give me time and I'll see what I can do.
Joe Inabnett

Norme · 08-16-2016, 04:18 PM

Hi Joe,
I think you're right, you have a relatively early 1906 Navy made in 1907. As has been said, we can't tell more without photos although it would be interesting to know if your gun has a unit mark stamped on the rear grip strap.
If you send me a PM with your email address, I'll send you the link to the Navy List.
Regards, Norm

kurusu · 08-16-2016, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Inabnett

No letter code. Just the 4 digit number. From reading Jan Still's Imperial Lugers, it seems like a 06 Navy, but I'm not sure, As for pictures, I haven't mastered that yet. Give me time and I'll see what I can do.
Joe Inabnett

If it's the art of photography you don't master, I can relate to that.

If the problem is posting photos you've already taken and have on your computer this might help:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=23172

Joe Inabnett · 08-17-2016, 09:07 PM

To Norme
THE SN of my new navy purchase is 6802. Can't tell you more until I get it in my hands. Look forward to receiving your navy List at [email protected] Thanks Joe

Norme · 08-17-2016, 10:14 PM

Hi Joe,
I'm a little confused, in post #8 you say your Navy is #4509, in post #16 you say it's #6802. I have no information on 1906 Navy #4509, but #6802 is a listed gun. It's rear grip strap is property marked W.K./889 which means it was delivered to the naval dockyard at Kiel, home base to the Baltic fleet. It's barrel is "GERMANY" marked which means it was exported to the U.S. after the war.
I'll send the Navy List link to your email address.
Regards, Norm

Joe Inabnett · 08-18-2016, 10:18 AM

Navy SN 4509 is simply the top half (receiver/barrel properly marked with C/M proofs), which is currently in my collection. The 6802 is a new purchase and found on your navy List. Thanks again for sending it

m1903a3 · 08-18-2016, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Inabnett

Navy SN 4509 is simply the top half (receiver/barrel properly marked with C/M proofs), which is currently in my collection. The 6802 is a new purchase and found on your navy List. Thanks again for sending it

So when you said "I have a Navy numbered 4509", you really meant you had some of it?

Joe Inabnett · 08-20-2016, 11:12 AM

The receiver is in my opinion authentic, I just don't have the lower frame assembly. Do you know of anyone who could assist me in finding that frame or even a part of it? Thanks

Joe Inabnett

08-12-2016, 09:53 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Norme, I think you should use the "manage attachment" feature and attach this data list to this thread for download by member who doesn't yet own a NAVY Luger , but may be interested in finding one, and might want to confirm the data on anything they find to the list. It will help newer collectors from considering a faked gun. Just my $0.02 __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-13-2016, 09:50 PM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	It is pretty simple, contribute info to Norm for inclusion in the list, and you "earn" the right to participate- thus receiving the list; as he said, information is the cost of the list. His offer to assist anyone who PM's him with questions on a specific luger is more generous than many experts. Don't have a Navy luger?- scour the shops and online venues and report Navy lugers that surface to Norm with as many details as you have; more eyes finds more information! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

08-16-2016, 10:59 AM	#9
Joe Inabnett User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Front sights are marked on 1917 and 1918 models __________________ Slo Joe

08-16-2016, 12:08 PM	#10
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Does Norme now get flooded with dubious Navy info in attempts to gain access to the list? __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

08-16-2016, 04:07 PM	#13
Joe Inabnett User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No letter code. Just the 4 digit number. From reading Jan Still's Imperial Lugers, it seems like a 06 Navy, but I'm not sure, As for pictures, I haven't mastered that yet. Give me time and I'll see what I can do. Joe Inabnett __________________ Slo Joe

08-11-2016, 03:57 PM	#1
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	The 2016 Navy List I've sent out the link to the new, improved and larger 2016 Navy List to all who have contributed to it. Mistakes happen, so if you have contributed information in the past and haven't received my email, send me a PM with your email address. Regards to all, Norm

08-12-2016, 05:12 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi John, "The Navy List" differs from most bare bones Luger data bases, that are little more than lists of serial numbers, as it attempts to describe condition and identify fakes. "1917 Navy #1234" tells you little other than that the gun exists. "1917 Navy #1234, unnumbered grips, mismatched magazine, replaced side-plate, refinished barrel & receiver" is far more helpful. To get all that extra information I have to be in direct contact with the owner via email, which is why I make sharing information conditional for receipt of the list. Of course, any prospective purchaser of a Navy Luger can contact me via PM and I will be happy to tell them what is known about that particular gun, if it is listed. Regards, Norm

08-12-2016, 11:14 PM	#6
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 826 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	Norm, Could you send a copy of the list to my addy: [email protected] Could you also add me to the list for updates? Thanks. Greg / gunnertwo

08-16-2016, 10:50 AM	#8
Joe Inabnett User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have a Navy numbered 4509. The sight is not dated. Can you tell me the year of production? Joe Inabnett

08-16-2016, 04:18 PM	#14
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Joe, I think you're right, you have a relatively early 1906 Navy made in 1907. As has been said, we can't tell more without photos although it would be interesting to know if your gun has a unit mark stamped on the rear grip strap. If you send me a PM with your email address, I'll send you the link to the Navy List. Regards, Norm

08-17-2016, 09:07 PM	#16
Joe Inabnett User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To Norme THE SN of my new navy purchase is 6802. Can't tell you more until I get it in my hands. Look forward to receiving your navy List at [email protected] Thanks Joe __________________ Slo Joe

08-17-2016, 10:14 PM	#17
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Joe, I'm a little confused, in post #8 you say your Navy is #4509, in post #16 you say it's #6802. I have no information on 1906 Navy #4509, but #6802 is a listed gun. It's rear grip strap is property marked W.K./889 which means it was delivered to the naval dockyard at Kiel, home base to the Baltic fleet. It's barrel is "GERMANY" marked which means it was exported to the U.S. after the war. I'll send the Navy List link to your email address. Regards, Norm

08-18-2016, 10:18 AM	#18
Joe Inabnett User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Navy SN 4509 is simply the top half (receiver/barrel properly marked with C/M proofs), which is currently in my collection. The 6802 is a new purchase and found on your navy List. Thanks again for sending it __________________ Slo Joe

08-20-2016, 11:12 AM	#20
Joe Inabnett User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The receiver is in my opinion authentic, I just don't have the lower frame assembly. Do you know of anyone who could assist me in finding that frame or even a part of it? Thanks Joe Inabnett __________________ Slo Joe