Austrian Lugers

Dick Herman · 09-17-2016, 04:55 PM

I was asked to write an article on Lugers at the time I was researching my acquisition of this referenced Vienna proofed pistol. I was able to find fragments of information regarding post war Lugers in my references sited at the end of the article. The article came together nicely.

This article is in the recent publication of the online "Arms Heritage Magazine, Volume 6, Number 4." The magazine editor changed my information reference from (letter: page) to (number: page) only in the Further Reading section

DonVoigt · 09-17-2016, 05:03 PM

Dick,
thanks for posting the link. A copy will go into my collection of luger "data".

Tango3 · 09-17-2016, 06:06 PM

Great reading, Dick. Thank you!

Eric

Norme · 09-17-2016, 09:53 PM

Hi Dick,
Thanks for posting the link to your well researched and informative article. The post war Lugers produced when the Mauser factory was under French control have interested me for some time. I own #380, one of the early guns that didn't wind up in Austria. It's as well made and finished as any of the Lugers, commercial or military, produced by Mauser before the French occupation.
Regards, Norm

DonVoigt · 09-17-2016, 11:46 PM

BH is for Bundeswehr ? or Bundesheer?

Ron Wood · 09-18-2016, 01:31 AM

Bundesheer

mrerick · 09-18-2016, 11:52 AM

Dick, thanks for your research and excellent article on this rare variation.

Marc

DonVoigt · 09-18-2016, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Bundesheer

Ron,
thanks, that's what I thought; but the article calls the Austrian Army the Bundeswehr.

Dick Herman · 09-18-2016, 04:17 PM

The correct word is Bundesheer. I humbly apologize, I made a spelling mistake and repeated it throughout the article. I did make reference to the Federal or Austrian Army many places where Bundesheer should have been.

I also regret using the reference “Parabellum P.08” at the start of the article. As we know the P.08 was adopted in 1908. I should have referred to the pistols as 1900 Parabellums or excluded the date.
.
I hope my mistakes did not ruin the article for anyone.

Ron Wood · 09-18-2016, 06:45 PM

No sweat Dick...been there, done that. If you never have made a mistake in writing an article, then you probably never have written an article.

DonVoigt · 09-18-2016, 09:19 PM

Dick,
just wanted to clarify, still a great, informative article.

I made lots of errors, typos, and mistakes in writing the T99 Arisaka book, I caught a lot of them; but still find one occasionally. Once you read it the way you "meant" it to be, one can never find even the obvious error- or at least I can't.

Proof readers and editors don't help much on technical points- as they just don't know the difference!

Dick Herman · 09-20-2016, 12:44 PM

I do not read or speak German. I used the wrong word for the Austrian application of the BH property mark. The proper word is Bundesheer which translates to the Federal Army. The translation for Bundeswehr is the Armed Forces

LU1900 · 09-20-2016, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Dick,
T I own #380, one of the early guns that didn't wind up in Austria.
Regards, Norm

Hello Norme : always your's ??
I own one mag sn 380 for it .

Eugen · 09-20-2016, 04:43 PM

Dick, nice, informative article that makes great reading for us new guys. Thanks for your contribution and for sharing.

kurusu · 09-20-2016, 05:11 PM

Mighty interesting article. Thank you for sharing.

Edward Tinker · 09-20-2016, 05:48 PM

It is so easy to mess up - you can re-read the article, have it checked by friends and a mistake comes through.

Excellent article, well done Dick

Ed

rpbcps · 01-28-2018, 07:20 AM

Interesting article, I just bought a Mauser marked P08, with Bundesheer markings, which I believe was manufactured during the short period of French occupation and supervision of the Mauserwerkes production for their own needs,
stay safe
Richard

Norme · 01-28-2018, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LU1900

Hello Norme : always your's ??
I own one mag sn 380 for it .

Hi Patrice,
I just noticed this post of yours from last year, believe it or not I was biking in Provence at the time! Would #380 be for sale by any chance?
Best regards, Norm

LU1900 · 01-29-2018, 12:52 AM

Is it this one ?

pors12 · 01-29-2018, 02:57 AM

Hi,

Nice article .

Our " Bundesheer " used other lugers also, I have a 1936 mauser
with the BH mark on it .

But there are also 1911, HSC, PP , PPk , FN HP , Radom ......
with this mark around. After WW 2 when the Bundesheer was
formed , there where a lot of different handguns used , until
1980 when the " Pistole 80 " was introduced to be the new
handgun of the " Austrian Bundesheer " .

regards

Otto

09-17-2016, 05:03 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Dick, thanks for posting the link. A copy will go into my collection of luger "data". __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-17-2016, 11:46 PM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	BH is for Bundeswehr ? or Bundesheer? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-18-2016, 01:31 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Bundesheer __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Dick, thanks for your research and excellent article on this rare variation. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-18-2016, 06:45 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	No sweat Dick...been there, done that. If you never have made a mistake in writing an article, then you probably never have written an article. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-17-2016, 06:06 PM	#3
Tango3 User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Michigan (Native American for "too much winter") Posts: 51 Thanks: 90 Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts	Great reading, Dick. Thank you! Eric

09-17-2016, 09:53 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Dick, Thanks for posting the link to your well researched and informative article. The post war Lugers produced when the Mauser factory was under French control have interested me for some time. I own #380, one of the early guns that didn't wind up in Austria. It's as well made and finished as any of the Lugers, commercial or military, produced by Mauser before the French occupation. Regards, Norm

09-18-2016, 04:17 PM	#9
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	The correct word is Bundesheer. I humbly apologize, I made a spelling mistake and repeated it throughout the article. I did make reference to the Federal or Austrian Army many places where Bundesheer should have been. I also regret using the reference “Parabellum P.08” at the start of the article. As we know the P.08 was adopted in 1908. I should have referred to the pistols as 1900 Parabellums or excluded the date. . I hope my mistakes did not ruin the article for anyone.

09-18-2016, 09:19 PM	#11
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Dick, just wanted to clarify, still a great, informative article. I made lots of errors, typos, and mistakes in writing the T99 Arisaka book, I caught a lot of them; but still find one occasionally. Once you read it the way you "meant" it to be, one can never find even the obvious error- or at least I can't. Proof readers and editors don't help much on technical points- as they just don't know the difference! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-20-2016, 12:44 PM	#12
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 354 Times in 138 Posts	I do not read or speak German. I used the wrong word for the Austrian application of the BH property mark. The proper word is Bundesheer which translates to the Federal Army. The translation for Bundeswehr is the Armed Forces Last edited by Dick Herman; 09-20-2016 at 12:44 PM. Reason: I

09-20-2016, 04:43 PM	#14
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 394 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	Dick, nice, informative article that makes great reading for us new guys. Thanks for your contribution and for sharing. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

09-20-2016, 05:11 PM	#15
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Mighty interesting article. Thank you for sharing.

09-20-2016, 05:48 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	It is so easy to mess up - you can re-read the article, have it checked by friends and a mistake comes through. Excellent article, well done Dick Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-28-2018, 07:20 AM	#17
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Interesting article, I just bought a Mauser marked P08, with Bundesheer markings, which I believe was manufactured during the short period of French occupation and supervision of the Mauserwerkes production for their own needs, stay safe Richard

01-29-2018, 12:52 AM	#19
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 42 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	Is it this one ? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

01-29-2018, 02:57 AM	#20
pors12 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Austria Posts: 115 Thanks: 24 Thanked 59 Times in 21 Posts	Hi, Nice article . Our " Bundesheer " used other lugers also, I have a 1936 mauser with the BH mark on it . But there are also 1911, HSC, PP , PPk , FN HP , Radom ...... with this mark around. After WW 2 when the Bundesheer was formed , there where a lot of different handguns used , until 1980 when the " Pistole 80 " was introduced to be the new handgun of the " Austrian Bundesheer " . regards Otto