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M2A2 · 01-27-2018, 09:26 AM

Good morning. This is a nice site with good information. I have enjoyed reading some of the posts. A friend sent me here. I have a Luger and would like some information on it. The magazine has matching numbers. Thank you in advance.

George Anderson · 01-27-2018, 09:42 AM

!914 dated Erfurt LP08 that has been heavily buffed and reblued.

DavidJayUden · 01-27-2018, 11:20 AM

Sort of looks like the stock mount lug has been removed too. Overall a nice looking gun, and it should be a geat shooter, but specifically what questions did you have?
Welcome aboard!
dju

M2A2 · 01-27-2018, 01:29 PM

To be honest. I am a gun enthusiast. But this is not for me it should go to someone who wants it. I myself love to hunt. I enjoy rifles. I need a fair price to sell it at. So someone will get a deal. I am known on several other boards.

Sergio Natali · 01-27-2018, 01:44 PM

Very nice gun, too bad that it was refinished.

DavidJayUden · 01-27-2018, 02:19 PM

The fact that it is a 1914 Erfurt would otherwise help it's value, but...
OK, so you have what most would consider a matching 9mm Artillery Luger "shooter". Not particularly collectible because of the heavy buffing and stock lug removal. (Please post a couple of photos of the lower rear grip strap so we can confirm my suspicions.)
I'm guessing that current value would be around $1200-$1500, depending on where you post it.
Any holster, extra mags, etc?
You can list it below in the For Sale column. It's free, and you will deal with a much better educated grade of "tire kicker" here than elsewhere.
Good Luck!
dju

DonVoigt · 01-27-2018, 02:54 PM

I think closer to $1000 to someone who knows what he is looking at; but then I am "Sgt. Schultz" when it comes to prices.

"I know Knothing!"

Edward Tinker · 01-27-2018, 03:22 PM

yes, without a stock lug, I would say $1000-$1200

I have a 1914 Erfurt, buffed and reblued and I list it myself as $1000 value for my own values.

Ed

M2A2 · 01-27-2018, 03:32 PM

ithacaartist · 01-27-2018, 05:09 PM

The last pic makes the rear grip strap look as though it never had a stock lug. Machining on a lugged frame removes metal that would be there on a slick-backed variation. This looks fully rounded, the material is there. I suppose it's possible that the area was welded back in and properly contoured when it was refinished, but it's also theoretically possible that the upper has been installed on a non-Arty frame.

M2A2 · 01-27-2018, 05:22 PM

Could be but the numbers match.

DonVoigt · 01-27-2018, 05:53 PM

I believe your frame has been ground and re-numbered.
notice how short it is in reference to the receiver; i.e. the receiver overhangs the frame at the front just above the serial number.
Lanyard loop removed also.

Doesn't change the value as a shooter.

Hoot · 01-28-2018, 03:29 PM

You should mention in your for sale ad that the lug has been removed. That is a big deal.

ithacaartist · 01-28-2018, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoot

You should mention in your for sale ad that the lug has been removed. That is a big deal.

It is my contention that there may not have been a lug on this frame. A ground-off stock lug leaves an area that looks nothing like this one, which is full, rounded contour. Dons' assertion that the frame's front has been ground and renumbered may support my assertion here.

Whoever put this Arty together may have used a frame without the lug, or did a heck of a bunch of work to fill in and properly contour the area from which the lug was removed.

Hoot · 01-28-2018, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

It is my contention that there may not have been a lug on this frame. A ground-off stock lug leaves an area that looks nothing like this one, which is full, rounded contour. Dons' assertion that the frame's front has been ground and renumbered may support my assertion here.

Whoever put this Arty together may have used a frame without the lug, or did a heck of a bunch of work to fill in and properly contour the area from which the lug was removed.

Thanks, you're right! I was too specific. I should have said that he should point out that it doesn't have a lug (for whatever reason). That's not clear from the photos he posted. Not knowing that, since every Arty made had a lug (as far as I know) I would assume that it had one. 'Course, I wouldn't buy an $1100 gun from just those pics anyway, but that's another story...

And I agree that it doesn't look ground, unless it was filled. I have a Luger with the lug ground off, and it doesn't look at all like that.

Mac Cat · 01-28-2018, 09:28 PM

The last one I saw just like this, for $1,000.

DavidJayUden · 01-28-2018, 11:39 PM

My vote is for the lug being ground and frame filled. The grindee did a lot of work cleaning this up, removing the lanyard loop, etc. They actually did a better-than-average job of destroying the value.
But it's all academic anyway. $1000.
dju

M2A2 · 01-31-2018, 01:52 PM

Thanks guys!!

conniie · 01-31-2018, 08:54 PM

As Popeye says" I thinks it would bring $1500 any day of the week on Gun Broker"...

conniie · 02-17-2018, 04:00 PM

Popeye bought it says it's a rare commercial without military marks usually found in 30 luger . This one last of the run of the 1913 first of the 1914 . With a low number possibly made for an important politician made in 9mm, rare bird indeed.

01-27-2018, 09:26 AM	#1
M2A2 User Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good morning! What do I have? Good morning. This is a nice site with good information. I have enjoyed reading some of the posts. A friend sent me here. I have a Luger and would like some information on it. The magazine has matching numbers. Thank you in advance.

01-27-2018, 01:44 PM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Very nice gun, too bad that it was refinished. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-27-2018, 02:54 PM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I think closer to $1000 to someone who knows what he is looking at; but then I am "Sgt. Schultz" when it comes to prices. "I know Knothing!" __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-27-2018, 03:22 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	yes, without a stock lug, I would say $1000-$1200 I have a 1914 Erfurt, buffed and reblued and I list it myself as $1000 value for my own values. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-27-2018, 05:09 PM	#10
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	The last pic makes the rear grip strap look as though it never had a stock lug. Machining on a lugged frame removes metal that would be there on a slick-backed variation. This looks fully rounded, the material is there. I suppose it's possible that the area was welded back in and properly contoured when it was refinished, but it's also theoretically possible that the upper has been installed on a non-Arty frame. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-27-2018, 09:42 AM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	!914 dated Erfurt LP08 that has been heavily buffed and reblued.

01-27-2018, 11:20 AM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Sort of looks like the stock mount lug has been removed too. Overall a nice looking gun, and it should be a geat shooter, but specifically what questions did you have? Welcome aboard! dju

01-27-2018, 01:29 PM	#4
M2A2 User Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To be honest. I am a gun enthusiast. But this is not for me it should go to someone who wants it. I myself love to hunt. I enjoy rifles. I need a fair price to sell it at. So someone will get a deal. I am known on several other boards.

01-27-2018, 02:19 PM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	The fact that it is a 1914 Erfurt would otherwise help it's value, but... OK, so you have what most would consider a matching 9mm Artillery Luger "shooter". Not particularly collectible because of the heavy buffing and stock lug removal. (Please post a couple of photos of the lower rear grip strap so we can confirm my suspicions.) I'm guessing that current value would be around $1200-$1500, depending on where you post it. Any holster, extra mags, etc? You can list it below in the For Sale column. It's free, and you will deal with a much better educated grade of "tire kicker" here than elsewhere. Good Luck! dju

01-27-2018, 03:32 PM	#9
M2A2 User Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

01-27-2018, 05:22 PM	#11
M2A2 User Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Could be but the numbers match.

01-27-2018, 05:53 PM	#12
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I believe your frame has been ground and re-numbered. notice how short it is in reference to the receiver; i.e. the receiver overhangs the frame at the front just above the serial number. Lanyard loop removed also. Doesn't change the value as a shooter. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-28-2018, 03:29 PM	#13
Hoot User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mississippi Posts: 26 Thanks: 82 Thanked 17 Times in 8 Posts	You should mention in your for sale ad that the lug has been removed. That is a big deal. __________________ It is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

01-28-2018, 09:28 PM	#16
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 731 Thanks: 2,095 Thanked 610 Times in 329 Posts	The last one I saw just like this, for $1,000.

01-28-2018, 11:39 PM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	My vote is for the lug being ground and frame filled. The grindee did a lot of work cleaning this up, removing the lanyard loop, etc. They actually did a better-than-average job of destroying the value. But it's all academic anyway. $1000. dju

01-31-2018, 01:52 PM	#18
M2A2 User Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks guys!!

01-31-2018, 08:54 PM	#19
conniie User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 11 Thanks: 5 Thanked 22 Times in 5 Posts	As Popeye says" I thinks it would bring $1500 any day of the week on Gun Broker"...

02-17-2018, 04:00 PM	#20
conniie User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 11 Thanks: 5 Thanked 22 Times in 5 Posts	Popeye bought it says it's a rare commercial without military marks usually found in 30 luger . This one last of the run of the 1913 first of the 1914 . With a low number possibly made for an important politician made in 9mm, rare bird indeed.