Nambu Type 14 Adoption???

sheepherder · 11-16-2021, 05:34 PM

I just finished the three 1945-era Iwo Jima DVD's by Clint Eastwood back in 2006 and it seemed that only the Type 94 is depicted. IMDB notes that much attention was given to historical accuracy. I looked in the NRA Guide and if correct, it states the Type 14 was adopted in 1925 and the Type 94 in 1934. POTW confirms this.

This seems backward to me. The Type 14 looks more advanced, mechanically.

Anyone with any knowledge of this???

Edward Tinker · 11-16-2021, 05:52 PM

sure, I've owned both - the T14 was a bit fragile and was many years old (Grandfather Nambu, Pappa nambu T14 nambu then the T94 and then the Himada

Sieger · 11-17-2021, 01:15 AM

Hi,

The NRA Guide Book is correct.

Why would you think that the Type 94 would proceed the Type 14?

Actually, I really like the T-14 design, though the 8mm Nambu cartridge leaves a lot to be desired.

Sieger

sheepherder · 11-17-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sieger

Why would you think that the Type 94 would proceed the Type 14?

Perhaps it's snobbery on my part; my idea of esthetics. To me, the Borchardt C 93 is more 'beautiful' than say the Whitney Wolverine. The Type 14 looks more 'modern' to me than the Type 94. The same way a BSA A10 is more beautiful [to me] than the BSA A65.

There is also the issue with the sear bar. As a mechanic, I would expect that obvious defects would be 'fixed' in later models, rather than introducing new ones.

The two movies do show the hard clamshell holsters on the Japanese, which to me indicate the Type 14 rather than the Type 94. Since they were intended to be 1945-year movies, it seems odd that they wouldn't have Type 94 specific holsters. Were the two holster designs interchangeable???

lugerholsterrepair · 11-17-2021, 11:41 AM

Were the two holster designs interchangeable??? No not at all. The type 14 was made with thick leather spacers inside that fit ONLY the type 14. The type 94 was a smaller soft shell that a type 14 wouldn't fit into.

Edward Tinker · 11-17-2021, 12:21 PM

yes, the holsters are totally different, I have a couple of T14's right now, but not a T94. It looks odd, but actually felt ok in my hand. I have shot both.
They are sweet shooting guns (Jerry should we tell them about shooting a baby nambu and used a clip of real 7mm baby rounds?)

lugerholsterrepair · 11-17-2021, 12:32 PM

(Jerry should we tell them about shooting a baby nambu and used a clip of real 7mm baby rounds?) No, no one would believe a wild story like that!

sheepherder · 11-17-2021, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

No, no one would believe a wild story like that!

I dunno...There's a lot of wild stories floating around on this forum...

Mister Sunshine · 11-17-2021, 04:00 PM

A type 34 Nambu passed thru my hands. I was amazed that the bar that transferred the trigger movement to the sear passed along side the frame unprotected the way the Luger is I have heard the pistol was famous for shooting the soldier in the in his own foot.

Sieger · 11-17-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister Sunshine

A type 34 Nambu passed thru my hands. I was amazed that the bar that transferred the trigger movement to the sear passed along side the frame unprotected the way the Luger is I have heard the pistol was famous for shooting the soldier in the in his own foot.

Hi,

A Luger can be accidently fired when the pistol is disassembled, but NOT when it is fully assembled. The T-94, however, can.

Sieger

Sieger · 11-17-2021, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

Perhaps it's snobbery on my part; my idea of esthetics. To me, the Borchardt C 93 is more 'beautiful' than say the Whitney Wolverine. The Type 14 looks more 'modern' to me than the Type 94. The same way a BSA A10 is more beautiful [to me] than the BSA A65.

There is also the issue with the sear bar. As a mechanic, I would expect that obvious defects would be 'fixed' in later models, rather than introducing new ones.

The two movies do show the hard clamshell holsters on the Japanese, which to me indicate the Type 14 rather than the Type 94. Since they were intended to be 1945-year movies, it seems odd that they wouldn't have Type 94 specific holsters. Were the two holster designs interchangeable???

Hi,

Perhaps you should ignore Hollywood portrayals and concentrate on personally verifiable facts as your guide to reality.

Otherwise, Eastwood will not "Make your day".

Respectfully,

Sieger

sheepherder · 11-17-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieger

Perhaps you should ignore Hollywood portrayals and concentrate on personally verifiable facts as your guide to reality.

There is no reality, except what we make.

Sieger · 11-17-2021, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

There is no reality, except what we make.

Hi.

I debated what reality truly is with a group of students from St. John's University a few years ago.

My position was..."Reality is paying your bills".

Who could disagree with that?

Sieger

sheepherder · 11-17-2021, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sieger

My position was..."Reality is paying your bills".
Who could disagree with that?

No disagreement here! Your position let me buy a nice sporty car to play with in my senior years...

Edward Tinker · 11-18-2021, 01:11 AM

yes, thats a nice color Rich - which reminds me, ran the super duper battery charger on the 2006, and the next morning, rrrr, rrrr - nada. Guess I'll buy a new battery again.

- I have to say that history on the Japanese pistols centers on Colonel Nambu, he must have had some family connections

Mister Sunshine · 11-18-2021, 04:10 PM

I think Col Nambu should have paid a visit to John M. Browning. It would have served him well.

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	(Jerry should we tell them about shooting a baby nambu and used a clip of real 7mm baby rounds?) No, no one would believe a wild story like that! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-16-2021, 05:52 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	sure, I've owned both - the T14 was a bit fragile and was many years old (Grandfather Nambu, Pappa nambu T14 nambu then the T94 and then the Himada

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Sieger User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York, NY Posts: 1,575 Thanks: 2,124 Thanked 400 Times in 249 Posts	Hi, The NRA Guide Book is correct. Why would you think that the Type 94 would proceed the Type 14? Actually, I really like the T-14 design, though the 8mm Nambu cartridge leaves a lot to be desired. Sieger

11-17-2021, 12:21 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	yes, the holsters are totally different, I have a couple of T14's right now, but not a T94. It looks odd, but actually felt ok in my hand. I have shot both. They are sweet shooting guns (Jerry should we tell them about shooting a baby nambu and used a clip of real 7mm baby rounds?)

11-17-2021, 04:00 PM	#9
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	A type 34 Nambu passed thru my hands. I was amazed that the bar that transferred the trigger movement to the sear passed along side the frame unprotected the way the Luger is I have heard the pistol was famous for shooting the soldier in the in his own foot.

11-18-2021, 01:11 AM	#15
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	yes, thats a nice color Rich - which reminds me, ran the super duper battery charger on the 2006, and the next morning, rrrr, rrrr - nada. Guess I'll buy a new battery again. - I have to say that history on the Japanese pistols centers on Colonel Nambu, he must have had some family connections

11-18-2021, 04:10 PM	#16
Mister Sunshine User Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Cherry Valley, Ca. Posts: 94 Thanks: 0 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	I think Col Nambu should have paid a visit to John M. Browning. It would have served him well.